2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

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2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

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See french ex. "je vous demande d'aller manger" <br />I ask you to go and eat. <br /><br />is this possible: "because I can order you to teach..." <br />"quia vos iubere docere possum"<br /><br />Is this a ridiculous assumption? How two infin.? <br /><br />Somebody mentioned the gerundive but with that "I'm like 'ya whatever' " I do be afraid :-[

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I think one can say:<br /><br />Qvia vos ivbere possvm vt doceatis<br /><br /><br />The double-use of the infinitives is probably grammatically correct, however confusing.

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I believe it's all right, because the second infinitive is actually acting as a noun....... It's become a "what" - the direct object of "order", if you like. (It's being a gerund.... ;) )<br /><br />Kilmeny

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It might be more elegant to say quia iubeam vos docere. In that instance, the subjunctive could be translated as "can".
flebile nescio quid queritur lyra, flebile lingua murmurat exanimis, respondent flebile ripae

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[quote author=Milito link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4725 date=1061597749]<br />I believe it's all right, because the second infinitive is actually acting as a noun....... It's become a "what" - the direct object of "order", if you like. (It's being a gerund.... ;) )<br /><br />Kilmeny<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is interesting...but I can't say myself to understand (lack of progress towards Gerund...). Is a beginner's explanation available ;)

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[quote author=Episcopus link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4715 date=1061592126]<br /><br />is this possible: "because I can order you to teach..." <br />"quia vos iubere docere possum"<br /><br />Is this a ridiculous assumption? How two infin.? <br /><br />[/quote]<br /><br />It is possible. You say for example :<br /><br />Quia iubere possum vos docere... (You would obtain an intricate sentence because you have yet to add a direct object to docere) :P

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Thanks skylax!<br /><br />How do you know where to put each of the three verbs?

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[quote author=Episcopus link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4767 date=1061644043]<br />This is interesting...but I can't say myself to understand (lack of progress towards Gerund...). Is a beginner's explanation available ;) <br />[/quote]<br /><br />... sorry... Thank heaven for Skylax, no? :D<br /><br />Kilmeny

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