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2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Episcopus » Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:42 pm

See french ex. "je vous demande d'aller manger" <br />I ask you to go and eat. <br /><br />is this possible: "because I can order you to teach..." <br />"quia vos iubere docere possum"<br /><br />Is this a ridiculous assumption? How two infin.? <br /><br />Somebody mentioned the gerundive but with that "I'm like 'ya whatever' " I do be afraid :-[
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Lumen_et_umbra » Fri Aug 22, 2003 10:47 pm

I think one can say:<br /><br />Qvia vos ivbere possvm vt doceatis<br /><br /><br />The double-use of the infinitives is probably grammatically correct, however confusing.
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Milito » Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:15 am

I believe it's all right, because the second infinitive is actually acting as a noun....... It's become a "what" - the direct object of "order", if you like. (It's being a gerund.... ;) )<br /><br />Kilmeny
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby benissimus » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:17 am

It might be more elegant to say quia iubeam vos docere. In that instance, the subjunctive could be translated as "can".
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Episcopus » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:07 pm

[quote author=Milito link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4725 date=1061597749]<br />I believe it's all right, because the second infinitive is actually acting as a noun....... It's become a "what" - the direct object of "order", if you like. (It's being a gerund.... ;) )<br /><br />Kilmeny<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is interesting...but I can't say myself to understand (lack of progress towards Gerund...). Is a beginner's explanation available ;)
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Skylax » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:15 pm

[quote author=Episcopus link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4715 date=1061592126]<br /><br />is this possible: "because I can order you to teach..." <br />"quia vos iubere docere possum"<br /><br />Is this a ridiculous assumption? How two infin.? <br /><br />[/quote]<br /><br />It is possible. You say for example :<br /><br />Quia iubere possum vos docere... (You would obtain an intricate sentence because you have yet to add a direct object to docere) :P
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Episcopus » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:19 pm

Thanks skylax!<br /><br />How do you know where to put each of the three verbs?
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Re:2 Infin + possum/iubeo/veto etc.

Postby Milito » Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:33 pm

[quote author=Episcopus link=board=3;threadid=536;start=0#4767 date=1061644043]<br />This is interesting...but I can't say myself to understand (lack of progress towards Gerund...). Is a beginner's explanation available ;) <br />[/quote]<br /><br />... sorry... Thank heaven for Skylax, no? :D<br /><br />Kilmeny
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