Digammatic words
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Digammatic words
I have sometimes wanted a list more convenient than digging into Seymour, Benner or Monro, so I produced a list from all three: Words with Digamma in Epic.
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I'll have to dig into that, since I simply lifted it from Seymour's list. It's true that the list I present isn't exactly "words that started with digamma" but "words which regularly cause hiatus or lengthen preceding short syllables." Most of these were w-, but some were sw-.Chris Weimer wrote:What's the reason for εξ (six) to be placed in this category? Does it not follow the pattern like the rest of the s->h words?
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That's a great idea Will, thanks. I was surprised to see Ἴλιον on the list, I didn't realize that.
I noticed one thing in the first paragraph, "The starting point my list", presumably "of" or "for my list".
And I noticed that Ἑκάτη wasn't on the list, which would put you one up on Cunliffe. And when I checked Cunliffe just now for Ἑκάτη, to avoid looking stupid, I also noticed some words which aren't on the list, but some of these might just fall under ἑκάς....
ἑκάε?γος
?κάτε?θεν
ἑκατηβελέτης
ἑκατηβόλος
ἕκατος
ἑκηβόλος
I noticed one thing in the first paragraph, "The starting point my list", presumably "of" or "for my list".
And I noticed that Ἑκάτη wasn't on the list, which would put you one up on Cunliffe. And when I checked Cunliffe just now for Ἑκάτη, to avoid looking stupid, I also noticed some words which aren't on the list, but some of these might just fall under ἑκάς....
ἑκάε?γος
?κάτε?θεν
ἑκατηβελέτης
ἑκατηβόλος
ἕκατος
ἑκηβόλος
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Now that I've had time to check my books...Chris Weimer wrote:What's the reason for εξ (six) to be placed in this category?
Six shows a varied ancestry among the IE languages. Some go back to *seks, some to *sweks (Sihler). Monro cites several cases of not only hiatus but syllable-closing before ἕξ which would suggest Greek was in the *sweks group.
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Drat. Thank you.swiftnicholas wrote:I noticed one thing in the first paragraph, "The starting point my list", presumably "of" or "for my list".
I checked the index nominum to both the Iliad and the Odyssey. Homer not once mentions Hecate.And I noticed that Ἑκάτη wasn't on the list, which would put you one up on Cunliffe.
Hmm. I should work in some comment about compounds.And when I checked Cunliffe just now for Ἑκάτη, to avoid looking stupid, I also noticed some words which aren't on the list, but some of these might just fall under ἑκάς....
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I didn't know that, so I'm happy to have done the digging.Chris Weimer wrote:Thanks William for the clarification. I had forgotten about the *seks v. *sweks variation. I did know that.
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Well, I guess I didn't try hard enough to avoid looking stupid. But that's very interesting. I've come across it a couple of times in the Hymn to Demeter, but searching Greek hexameter on Perseus, I see that it occurs again in epic only in one section of the Theogony. At least I learned something new....annis wrote:I checked the index nominum to both the Iliad and the Odyssey. Homer not once mentions Hecate.
Thanks again for the list!
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William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/ — http://www.scholiastae.org/
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Both large and small a digamma should look a lot like 'F'.Bert wrote:Thanks. So what does a lower case Digamma look like? It appears a lot like the "at" sign. (@)
That will depend on your keyboard input method/program.And what is the keystroke for it?
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Maybe my unicode font (from Keyman) does not include any of the obsolete letters so it gives me this @ looking thing.annis wrote:Both large and small a digamma should look a lot like 'F'.Bert wrote:Thanks. So what does a lower case Digamma look like? It appears a lot like the "at" sign. (@)
What is it in SPIonic.annis wrote:That will depend on your keyboard input method/program.And what is the keystroke for it?
My unicode font has very similar keying to Spionic
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Uppercase 'V'.Bert wrote:What is it in SPIonic.
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Words starting with rho are a little difficult. Most of the time (and nearly without exception in later poetry) any final short vowel before a word starting with ῥ is scanned long, regardless of the etymology of the rho.Bert wrote:Here are a few. (I never realized there are that many. These five are from two pages of Cunliffe.)
ῥάκος
This may require another separate note at the bottom.
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