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Digammatic words

Postby annis » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:45 am

I have sometimes wanted a list more convenient than digging into Seymour, Benner or Monro, so I produced a list from all three: Words with Digamma in Epic.
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Postby Chris Weimer » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:58 am

What's the reason for εξ (six) to be placed in this category? Does it not follow the pattern like the rest of the s->h words?
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Postby annis » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:22 pm

Chris Weimer wrote:What's the reason for εξ (six) to be placed in this category? Does it not follow the pattern like the rest of the s->h words?


I'll have to dig into that, since I simply lifted it from Seymour's list. It's true that the list I present isn't exactly "words that started with digamma" but "words which regularly cause hiatus or lengthen preceding short syllables." Most of these were w-, but some were sw-.
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Postby swiftnicholas » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:43 pm

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Postby annis » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:34 pm

Chris Weimer wrote:What's the reason for εξ (six) to be placed in this category?


Now that I've had time to check my books...

Six shows a varied ancestry among the IE languages. Some go back to *seks, some to *sweks (Sihler). Monro cites several cases of not only hiatus but syllable-closing before ἕξ which would suggest Greek was in the *sweks group.
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Postby annis » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:42 pm

swiftnicholas wrote:I noticed one thing in the first paragraph, "The starting point my list", presumably "of" or "for my list".


Drat. Thank you.

And I noticed that Ἑκάτη wasn't on the list, which would put you one up on Cunliffe. :)


I checked the index nominum to both the Iliad and the Odyssey. Homer not once mentions Hecate.

And when I checked Cunliffe just now for Ἑκάτη, to avoid looking stupid, I also noticed some words which aren't on the list, but some of these might just fall under ἑκάς....


Hmm. I should work in some comment about compounds.
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Postby Chris Weimer » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:18 am

Thanks William for the clarification. I had forgotten about the *seks v. *sweks variation. I did know that. Great job, by the way!
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Postby annis » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:18 pm

Chris Weimer wrote:Thanks William for the clarification. I had forgotten about the *seks v. *sweks variation. I did know that.


I didn't know that, so I'm happy to have done the digging.
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Postby swiftnicholas » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:50 pm

annis wrote:I checked the index nominum to both the Iliad and the Odyssey. Homer not once mentions Hecate.


Well, I guess I didn't try hard enough to avoid looking stupid. :) But that's very interesting. I've come across it a couple of times in the Hymn to Demeter, but searching Greek hexameter on Perseus, I see that it occurs again in epic only in one section of the Theogony. At least I learned something new....

Thanks again for the list!
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Postby Bert » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:43 pm

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Postby annis » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:27 pm

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Postby Chris Weimer » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:08 pm

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Postby Chris Weimer » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:27 pm

It's the digamma.
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Postby Bert » Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:36 pm

Thanks. So what does a lower case Digamma look like? It appears a lot like the "at" sign. (@)
And what is the keystroke for it?
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Postby annis » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:33 am

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Postby annis » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:34 am

Bert wrote:Thanks. So what does a lower case Digamma look like? It appears a lot like the "at" sign. (@)


Both large and small a digamma should look a lot like 'F'.

And what is the keystroke for it?


That will depend on your keyboard input method/program.
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Postby Bert » Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:13 am

annis wrote:
Bert wrote:Thanks. So what does a lower case Digamma look like? It appears a lot like the "at" sign. (@)


Both large and small a digamma should look a lot like 'F'.


Maybe my unicode font (from Keyman) does not include any of the obsolete letters so it gives me this @ looking thing.
annis wrote:
And what is the keystroke for it?


That will depend on your keyboard input method/program.
What is it in SPIonic.
My unicode font has very similar keying to Spionic
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Postby annis » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:08 pm

Bert wrote:What is it in SPIonic.


Uppercase 'V'.
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Postby Bert » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:59 pm

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Postby annis » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:47 pm

Bert wrote:Here are a few. (I never realized there are that many. These five are from two pages of Cunliffe.)
ῥάκος


Words starting with rho are a little difficult. Most of the time (and nearly without exception in later poetry) any final short vowel before a word starting with á¿¥ is scanned long, regardless of the etymology of the rho.

This may require another separate note at the bottom. :)
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