In honor of the new Sappho (rather, newly pieced together Sappho).
Latin or Greek. Special points for using the meter of that poem. It's a hagesichorean expanded with two choriambs:
x -uu- -uu- -uu- u--
Sappho wrote in simple hagesichoreans, x-uu-u--, so that'd be fine, too. Just remember that though the meter is the same in all lines, the lines must come in pairs.
Verse challenge: Paean on the new Sappho
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Verse challenge: Paean on the new Sappho
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I can't install any greek fonts on this computer (i'm at work) so:
[b]Ι1σως γε σε τῆς Α0φροδίτης φερουσι στροῦθοι ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον ἡμῶν[/b]
[b]Ι1σως γε σε τῆς Α0φροδίτης φερουσι στροῦθοι ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον ἡμῶν[/b]
“Cum ego verbo utar,” Humpty Dumpty dixit voce contempta, “indicat illud quod optem – nec plus nec minus.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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I wasn't expecting verses immediately!auctor wrote:Short, sweet, and pretty much off the cuff...
Huh. In the past I would have said that δέ is oddly placed, but after reading Pindar I'm less sure about that, in verse at any rate.[size=150]πολυψαμαθῳ τοπῳ δ’ἠν,
Can one use the dative of location with εἰμί? I know it's licensed elsewhere in verse, but this line gives me warning vibes, though possibly my radar is off. Also off the cuff: δὴν ψάμμος ἔπη κέκρυπται.
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Well, that's vivid!Kasper wrote:[b]Ι1σως γε σε τῆς Α0φροδίτης φερουσι στροῦθοι ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον ἡμῶν[/b]
I quite like the ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον phrasing.
[schoolmarm]The hiatus after στροῦθοι is a shock. Accent: καιρὸν.[/schoolmarm]
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Thanks for your comments Will.annis wrote:Well, that's vivid!Kasper wrote:[b]Ι1σως γε σε τῆς Α0φροδίτης φερουσι στροῦθοι ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον ἡμῶν[/b]
I quite like the ἀπὸ κρημνῶν ἐπὶ καίρον phrasing.
[schoolmarm]The hiatus after στροῦθοι is a shock. Accent: καιρὸν.[/schoolmarm]
I must admit I only just noticed the hiatus. Any thoughts on how to avoid it?
“Cum ego verbo utar,” Humpty Dumpty dixit voce contempta, “indicat illud quod optem – nec plus nec minus.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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Not at the moment. I'll have to think.Kasper wrote:I must admit I only just noticed the hiatus. Any thoughts on how to avoid it?
And sad news just occured to me: the iota in Aphrodite is long.
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hi Will, I'm probably way off here since I've never read up on it, but can you shorten the syllable containing epsilon in ke/kruptai?Also off the cuff: dh\n ya/mmoj e)/ph ke/kruptai.
of course you can in various genres of greek poetry but i thought in sapphic poetry you couldn't. i'm only basing this off the few sappho fragments i've checked (v quickly).
i'm asking not as a correction but because i'd like to know the answer if you've read up on it, thanks
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This may be a stretch, but how about:annis wrote:Not at the moment. I'll have to think.Kasper wrote:I must admit I only just noticed the hiatus. Any thoughts on how to avoid it?
And sad news just occured to me: the iota in Aphrodite is long.
fe/rousi to/t) i)/sws, qanat), A)frodi/ths
strou~qoi s) a)po\ krhmvw~n e)pi\ kairo\n h(mw~n
Of course if Chad is right, this goes out the window too...
“Cum ego verbo utar,” Humpty Dumpty dixit voce contempta, “indicat illud quod optem – nec plus nec minus.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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You are correct. Sappho would not have accepted a short vowel before stop+resonant in that position. But other poets using aeolics would, and I tend follow that practice by default. If I ever switch into the Lesbian dialect I'll be more careful.chad wrote:hi Will, I'm probably way off here since I've never read up on it, but can you shorten the syllable containing epsilon in ke/kruptai?
of course you can in various genres of greek poetry but i thought in sapphic poetry you couldn't. i'm only basing this off the few sappho fragments i've checked (v quickly).
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