Bardo de Saldo wrote:Can one violate its conscience?
A conscience once went to the police station to report its violation.
"Who violated you?" asked the policeman.
"My ignorant beast master."
"And how do you know that it's ignorant?"
"I had to show it how to do it!"
Bardo de Saldo wrote:"(...) when I violate my conscience (aka sin) (...)." (Kopio)
I prefer 'sin' to 'conscience violation'; it is more universal and sounds less denominational. (Denominational, for those who aren't American, means whether you are a Methodist, a Baptist, an Episcopalian, etc.)
"I would say that you CAN [sin]." (Kopio, adapted)
We are all born free of sin, Kopio. If someone is taught sin and believes in it, then yes, one can sin. What to do after you've sinned? The people who teach sin also teach what God says they should do after sinning, so... Aren't you sinning by asking what to do after you've sinned?
I favor expiation through mortification.
Bardo de Saldo wrote:"I prefer 'sin' to 'conscience violation'; it is more universal and sounds less denominational. (Denominational, for those who aren't American, means whether you are a Methodist, a Baptist, an Episcopalian, etc.)
Bardo de Saldo wrote:We are all born free of sin, Kopio. If someone is taught sin and believes in it, then yes, one can sin.
Eureka wrote:I have to say, Kopio, that I'm not sure what you mean exactly by violating your conscience.
benissimus wrote:I assume he is going with the meaning of conscience to be "the distinction (or ability to distinguish) between good and bad". What do I do when I do something I recognize as bad?
benissimus wrote:Unless it really makes me feel awful (when someone I care about or sympathize with is harmed), I don't worry too much about it. Some of the things that you might feel bad about would hardly phase me at all (e.g. swearing, gossiping, sod0my!)...
benissimus wrote:...but if something I did really did disturb me then I would keep the memory as a reminder to avoid a similar situation. I certainly don't see the point in focusing on negative things I have done or in dwelling on them, as so many other people do, and as I would suggest "confessing, repenting, and renewing one's efforts" may fall under. But of course as a non-Christian, I don't have someone always looking over my shoulder
Kopio wrote:Here is one of the places where we part ways.....I do not believe we are born free of sin. Do you have children?? I do....and I never had to teach my children to lie, or be selfish, or throw a fit when they didn't get their way. As a matter of fact, I have always tried to teach them just the opposite. IMHO, "sin" isn't a taught thing, I would say that some specific "sinS" are taught or learned, but the underlying principle of "sin" is something that we, by our own nature, do naturally. But here we are digressing more into theology than I wished to, the objective in my initial post wasn't to speak of the depravity of man, it was to seek out other people's views as to reconciling themselves to the wrong actions that they take.
Rhuiden wrote:PS. How many are thinking..."Oh no, Rhuiden is back!!!"
Bardo de Saldo wrote:I have a very small son, Kopio, and his behavior is not sinful. If I agreed to everything you've said about the meaning of conscience violation, you would have to agree that a small child doesn't have that kind of conscience, the one that knows right from wrong.
Bardo de Saldo wrote:Swiftnicholas has put it so well, that I'll just present the laws of civilized countries to back our point.
Bardo de Saldo wrote:I favor expiation through mortification.
What do you do when you do something that either.......
goes against your moral grain...
can be considered sin (if you beleive in such a thing)
violates your conscience....
or just makes you feel like a plain heel for doing it?????
Kopio wrote:Rhuiden wrote:PS. How many are thinking..."Oh no, Rhuiden is back!!!"
Actually, I was quite glad to see the fella with the long rife back! For the record....are you a member of the NRA?? :)
Kopio wrote:What do you do when you do something that either.......
goes against your moral grain...
can be considered sin (if you beleive in such a thing)
violates your conscience....
or just makes you feel like a plain heel for doing it?????
Bardo de Saldo wrote:Well, Kopio, now that we've shared our beliefs, repassed consciences --fresh and pickled-- and quenched our thirst for testimonials, are you going to present us with an argument?
Bardo de Saldo wrote:Another question, dear Kopio? Those are hard to debate. You’ve missed your turn; I’ll make a statement inspired in your thread that I find debatable:
Bardo de Saldo wrote:"Once again you've missed it." (Kopio.)
Trying to steer this thread (more driving than leading involved) into something that doesn't violate the Rules of the Academy is not missing the point.
Raya...as found in Rules of the Academy wrote:Furthermore...
Please stay on topic. If you find yourself inspired by what you read to discuss/debate a different topic, please post it in a new thread.
Bardo de Saldo wrote:"I agree [...]" (Bert.)
Let's hear your arguments! A simple agreement only lends moral support. Good ideas don't need moral support.
Bardo de Saldo wrote:There is never a need for an argument. Your position is valid and respectable, but it isn't philosophical. This is the philosophical subforum, not the Autos de Fe subforum (the original variety, not the extra-crispy).
Bardo de Saldo wrote:(I rest my case. As you can see, Rhuiden, Luther makes 95 points without saying once "because God commands me" or "because this is how I interpret Chapter 6, verse 24 of whatever book.)
Bardo de Saldo wrote:I want to debate this thread's point: The ethics of sin.
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