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Scanning Homer

Postby Kasper » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:46 am

Inspired by the iambics and the Will's Intro to Greek Meter (great piece Will!!) I'm trying my hand at Homer. I 'm slowly working through Pharr. I have some doubts about scanning this line however:

polla\s d) )ifqi/mous yuca\s )/Aidi proï/ayen
ˉ ˉ | ˉ ˉ | ˉ ˉ | ˉ ˉ | ˉ ˘ ˘ | ˉ ˉ |

Is that about right? It seems rather loose for dactyls...
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“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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Re: Scanning Homer

Postby annis » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:53 am

Kasper wrote:Is that about right?


Yes.

It seems rather loose for dactyls...


Loose?
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Re: Scanning Homer

Postby Kasper » Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:02 am

annis wrote:
Kasper wrote:Is that about right?


Yes.

It seems rather loose for dactyls...


Loose?


Loose: well, very few short syllables.

And thanks for the confirmation!
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“Est tamen rogatio” dixit Alice, “an efficere verba tot res indicare possis.”
“Rogatio est, “Humpty Dumpty responsit, “quae fiat magister – id cunctum est.”
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Re: Scanning Homer

Postby annis » Thu Nov 11, 2004 3:10 am

Kasper wrote:Loose: well, very few short syllables.


Ah.

Hellenistic and later period poets working in the hexameter had a marked aversion to too many spondees, but the earliest Epic has no such qualms, though an all-spondee line isn't exactly common.
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Postby chad » Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:36 am

Hi Kasper, also the 4th foot is a dactyl, not a spondee: it's tricky but you can tell because the )/ symbols are next to the A rather than over the iota (which means that it's not a diphthong). :)
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Re: Scanning Homer

Postby Eureka » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:01 am

annis wrote:
Kasper wrote:Loose: well, very few short syllables.


Ah.

Hellenistic and later period poets working in the hexameter had a marked aversion to too many spondees, but the earliest Epic has no such qualms, though an all-spondee line isn't exactly common.

I agree with the later poets on this one. Three syllables good, two syllables bad.
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Postby Kasper » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:24 am

chad wrote:Hi Kasper, also the 4th foot is a dactyl, not a spondee: it's tricky but you can tell because the )/ symbols are next to the A rather than over the iota (which means that it's not a diphthong). :)


Yeah Will! :wink:
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Postby chad » Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:26 am

No I blame pharr, in my Oxford Classical Text the diaresis is marked. Pharr marks it for proi/ayen but not for )/Aidi...
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Postby Kasper » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:15 am

No no. The )/Aidi was clearly marked. Will is to blame. There is no question about it.
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Postby annis » Thu Nov 11, 2004 1:47 pm

Kasper wrote:No no. The )/Aidi was clearly marked. Will is to blame. There is no question about it.


D'oh! Right you are.

I even used )/Aidi recently, and spent some time digging into the various ways it can be scanned (either - u u or u u u). But I forgot.

For penance I will go read one of the political threads.
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Postby Emma_85 » Thu Nov 11, 2004 2:31 pm

annis wrote:For penance I will go read one of the political threads.


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