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Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby luw » Sat Aug 31, 2002 5:17 pm

I understand the rules for contracting vowels, but I am not sure when to do so. I have inferred that with regular verbs, you contract when there is a vowel at the end of the verb stem, but not when that vowel is part of the first syllable, as one would find in luw, for instance, or plew. Is that correct?
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Re:Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby klwps » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:55 am

In regards to Attic Greek, a Contract Verb is any verb whose present stem ends in -a, -e, or -o [where o is omicron and w is omega]. Therefore, luw (in beta code lu/w) has a present stem which ends in -u so it is not a contract verb. <br /><br />
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby marcofurio » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:21 pm

What about πλέω? It seems to be a contract as in πλεῖ πλεῖτε in present , but then 1st aorist is ἔπλευσα (<πλευ-). Is the imperfect ἔπλουν, ἔπλεις, ἔπλει? Also imperfect in epic dilalect is πλέον. Is it just because the "contract version" had not appeared yet?
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby spiphany » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:57 pm

Hi. See Smyth §397
Verbs in -εω of two syllables do not contract ε with ο or ω

(although, as usual this is followed by a list of exceptions. The most important verbs which do behave this way are: πλέω sail, θέω run, πνέω breathe, δέω need and δέομαι want.)

I believe the reason these verbs don't contract is because there was originally a sound between the stem and the ending which dropped out at that point (usual culprits are sigma and digamma, but I don't know for certain in this case).
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby marcofurio » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:05 pm

I'm not sure I understood your answer. Are πλέω, θέω, πνέω, δέω and δέομαι the exceptions to the rule and therefore do contract?. Is therefore πλέον just epic form or is it found later on as ἔπλεον?
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby spiphany » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:38 pm

Which do not contract ε with ο or ω, sorry.
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby Astrea » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:26 am

In two syllable contract verbs the ε does not contract with either ο or ω
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby modus.irrealis » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:52 pm

I'm a little confused with Smyth's explanation here -- isn't it that in two-syllable εω verbs, the ε only contracts with ε and ει, rather than saying it doesn't contract with ο and ω. The two formulations give different answers to what happens with ε + η. But I know δέῃ is the form of the present subjunctive (Smyth also lists the form) and for other verbs the uncontracted form is the one that turns up in google searches. What's the situation here?
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby Swth\r » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:26 pm

A resurrected from 2002 thread 8)
modus.irrealis wrote:[...] isn't it that in two-syllable εω verbs, the ε only contracts with ε and ει, rather than saying it doesn't contract with ο and ω. [...]


Yes, indeed, this is the correct descripiton of the case. ε+ε= ει, ε+ει=ει. This is the rule with the maximal descriptive simplicity. :) In all other environments, ε remains uncontracted: πλέητε, θέοιμεν, ἐπλέομεν, δεώμεθα, δεομένη, δέον...
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Re: Contract Verbs--When to know?

Postby modus.irrealis » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:56 am

Thanks for confirming.
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