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the last word must be disyllabic, i.e. words of three syllables (or more) or monosyllables are prohibited.

whiteoctave wrote:Where are the efforts of, say, Benissimus, Annis, Jeff, Skylax, Mariek, Paul, Eureka, Chad, Episcopus etc?
come on...


So a vowel ending in a plosive followed by a liquid means the syllable is long or short.
Not keen on "Mike".

Turpissimus wrote:I seem to have rather a lot of spondees and not too many dactyls.
whiteoctave wrote:the 5th foot spondee is a licence well used, surely for the gravity of my Draconian demands.
finally, the flow of the pent., with such exquisite use of the two hemiepes, is to be envied by all.
i surely would, as you no doubt should, be proud.
Amy wrote:Uh just putting this here for people's reference, mostly mine.
chad wrote:just to start up some friendly olympic rivalry, here's an elegaic about the Aussie 4 x 100 freestyle relay swim champions:
[face=SPIonic]au)=tij )Olumpioni=kai o(mou= stefanwqh/sontai
)Antipo/dwn xrusw=| i)=fi a)nassome/nwn[/face]
Benissimus wrote:quid ridetis acres ingratae mihi Musae
me errantem aspecta quomodo labar ego


Turpissimus wrote:Benissimus wrote:quid ridetis acres ingratae mihi Musae
me errantem aspecta quomodo labar ego
Not quite as easy as all that!
First of all, no caesura in the hexameter. You need this.
EITHER:
1) After the first sylllable of the third foot (Third strong)
OR
2) After the second of the third foot (assuming it's a dactyl) AND after the first syllables of the second and fourth foot.
At least that's the impression I got from reading WhiteO's piece.
This places considerable limitations on your choice and position of words.
Second, I believe in the second foot of your hexameter the second syllable is short by position since it is a short vowel, followed by a consonant which will, unfortunately attach itself to the beginning of the next syllable, because that syllable begins with a vowel.
As for your pentameter (is the translation Watch me erring, just as I slip?)
You might want to check with WhiteO whether long vowels can elide themselves like that. I've read that diphthongs can, so probably your verse is OK.
And the envy burns me up. You seem to have quite a good grasp of elision, which to me is the real bugbear preventing any kind of progress. I suppose that once I'm used to the idea, it will be quite natural. Until then, however......
quid ri/detis a/cres || ingra/tae mihi / Musae


If you'll forgive me for entering workshopping mode briefly, the location of xrusw=| is a bit of a shock. I'd be inclined to put that in place of au)=tij (correption preserves the meter). The meter of xrusw=| is fine, of course, with the hiatus across the caesura, but the sense is hard to connect to the verb in the previous line, for me at least.

chad wrote:it gets rid of the hiatus at the caesura, and it no longer resurrects digamma at a)nassome/nwn, 2 rules in your (once again excellent) .pdf on writing elegaic couplets, as linked above.
I don't know how to get rid of the hiatus at the fem caesura in the first line though, without throwing it to the end of the line and re-writing the line: do you think I should do that as well?
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