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Origins of iri

Postby Asterix » Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:43 am


I ask myself what origins the passive future of esse "iri" is.

It sounds strange and has no sound connestions with esse, eram or fui.

Does any one has an idea or can tell me something about a comparision with other languages ???


Sorry for my bad english but it's late ....
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Postby Skylax » Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:32 am

Good morning, Europe !

In an equally bad English, I will say that IRI is no form from ESSE at all. It is the present infinitive passive of IRE "to go". It is used to build the future infinitive passive, e. g. CAPTUM IRI "to be later caught". When the Latin says CREDO URBEM CAPTUM IRI "I believe that the town will be caught", he thinks "I believe that one is going to catch te town". IRI is an impersonal passive ("one goes") and CAPTUM is a supine denoting purpose after a verb of motion. URBEM here is no subject but a direct object of CAPTUM.

In French : le Latin ne dit pas littéralement "je crois que la ville sera prise" mais "je crois qu'on va prendre la ville".

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Postby Lucus Eques » Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:16 am

Oui, monsieur, très bien! Tu as raison; et ton anglais n'est pas mal. Comme fait le temps en Belgique cet été?

Indeed, Skylax is quite right. In English, we often so something along the lines of, "He is going to be caught," instead of "he will be caught." That must be the origin of iri.
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Postby Titus Marius Crispus » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:07 pm

Strange that you would think iri was from esse, a friend of mine was recently going on about how it was the present passive infinitive of esse. Perhaps because other infinitives (future active, perfect passive) use esse?

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