I think that logic dictates our actions, and logic can only bring us to a single choice when faced with many. That is not really free choice, but it isn't fate either.
threewood14 wrote:Barrius, did you see the movie the Passion of the Christ? What did you think of that? I personally thought it was incredible.
Just want to add that when I mean fate I do mean determinism.
Kasper wrote:As much as I resent it: neither, everything is but reaction upon reaction. It's not logical (at least not always) or coincidental or pre-established. The reason i react the way I do is a reaction upon how I have been raised, which is reaction upon who my parents are, etc. It is a reaction upon what I have read which are reactions upon (perhaps) my interests, my environment, etc. The difficulty is that it is not a clean one on one reaction but each reaction is based upon countless influences. Perhaps the inability to acertain what exactly caused which reaction is called free will?
First of all, we do indeed need the 'illusion' of free will. I do no think so much to maintain order, in fact, free will is the opposite of order, but to maintain a reason for living, believe in ones capabilities, etc., happines.
As for everything being one big chain reaction, i would say uncountable little chain reactions, but that's just a matter of expression.
The same goes for 'predetermination', i know its just an expression, but i really think the word indicates something being 'predetermined', pre-established, that there is a plan, or a logic to it. Can we call in "Reactionalism"? Please?
Emma, would you indeed jump of a skyscraper in order to prove free will, as you said yourself, you would be reacting to disbelief in free will and to your overwhelming need to prove it.
Good and evil indeed cannot exist. Good and evil are view points, do you really think Bin Laden considers himself evil?
Good and evil are a matter of preference and necessity. Law is necesarry (at least to a certain extent) and therefore good, and braking it is evil (bad).
I will be happy to admit that insects have a mind. if that's what the scientist say, I'm perfectly happy for the insects.
As for the ability to learn, this a mere reaction to having a brain the size it is (and whatever else comes with it, as i said i'm no biologist). Brainsize is reaction upon evolution, which is an enormous chain reaction as we have established. Likewise, instinct is a reaction upon evolution.
I'm being pretty repetative, i know, but this is really all there seems to say on the subject.
Perhaps prooving predestination should be discussed in a new thread without the issue of free will interferig.
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