we did not prophesied in your name .
then about the rest can be thought that who was rewriting omitted negation -it was clear to him
piro wrote:Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
πολλοὶ ἐροῦσίν μοι ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ Κύριε Κύριε, οὐ τῷ σῷ ὀνόματι ἐπροφητεύσαμεν, καὶ τῷ σῷ ὀνόματι δαιμόνια ἐξεβάλομεν, καὶ τῷ σῷ ὀνόματι δυνάμεις πολλὰς ἐποιήσαμεν;
New International Version
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'
My translation
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we did not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles'
piro wrote:confession to the Lord of our deeds
many christians know the fact they have to do everything in the name of Jesus Christ
and those are the deeds of God
one have to do Christ's deeds - prophesying and healing -otherwise one cannot be of Christ
here is the point of confession - because it is a sin -
piro wrote:...one more example - one negation and not repeated as it should be many times
Nestle Greek New Testament 1904
ἐπαχύνθη γὰρ ἡ καρδία τοῦ λαοῦ τούτου, καὶ τοῖς ὠσὶν βαρέως ἤκουσαν, καὶ τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτῶν ἐκάμμυσαν· μή ποτε ἴδωσιν τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς καὶ τοῖς ὠσὶν ἀκούσωσιν καὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ συνῶσιν καὶ ἐπιστρέψωσιν, καὶ ἰάσομαι αὐτούς.
should be more than one negation - missing four times
so you are not right with translation of presented case in Mathew
where obviously negation should be -not necessary to repeat it
It violates the rule of faith and would lead to a Gospel of works
piro wrote:i don't put anything here on exegesis
ἐπαχύνθη γὰρ ἡ καρδία τοῦ λαοῦ τούτου, καὶ τοῖς ὠσὶν βαρέως ἤκουσαν, καὶ τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτῶν ἐκάμμυσαν· μή ποτε ἴδωσιν τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς καὶ τοῖς ὠσὶν ἀκούσωσιν καὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ συνῶσιν καὶ ἐπιστρέψωσιν, καὶ ἰάσομαι αὐτούς.
Qimmik wrote:...to repeat, if piro's translation were correct, we would expect the parallel verbs ἐξεβάλομεν and ἐποιήσαμεν to be linked by οὐδὲ, instead of καὶ.
I should disclose that my background isn't Christian, so perhaps I shouldn't be interjecting my views here.
Jeff Tirey could have written:
...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification...
piro wrote:we were believers without God's works
1 Cor. 12:29-13:2:
μὴ πάντες ἀπόστολοι; μὴ πάντες προφῆται; μὴ πάντες διδάσκαλοι; μὴ πάντες δυνάμεις; μὴ πάντες χαρίσματα ἔχουσιν ἰαμάτων; μὴ πάντες γλώσσαις λαλοῦσιν; μὴ πάντες διερμηνεύουσιν; ζηλοῦτε δὲ τὰ χαρίσματα τὰ μείζονα. Καὶ ἔτι καθ' ὑπερβολὴν ὁδὸν ὑμῖν δείκνυμι. καὶ ἐὰν ἔχω προφητείαν καὶ εἰδῶ τὰ μυστήρια πάντα καὶ πᾶσαν τὴν γνῶσιν, καὶ ἐὰν ἔχω πᾶσαν τὴν πίστιν ὥστε ὄρη μεθιστάναι, ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω, οὐθέν εἰμι.
Luke 10:20:
πλὴν ἐν τούτῳ μὴ χαίρετε ὅτι τὰ πνεύματα ὑμῖν ὑποτάσσεται, χαίρετε δὲ ὅτι τὰ ὀνόματα ὑμῶν ἐγγέγραπται ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς.
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