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What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

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What does the ἐμοὶ go with?

φίλος
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οἰκείως διακείμενος
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ἀπαντήσας
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συνεδείπνει
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All of the above
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What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby Markos » Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:18 am

Lysias 1:39: ἐμοὶ γάρ, ὦ ἄνδρες, ὅπερ καὶ πρότερον εἶπον, φίλος ὢν Σώστρατος καὶ οἰκείως διακείμενος ἀπαντήσας ἐξ ἀγροῦ περὶ ἡλίου δυσμὰς συνεδείπνει...
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby John W. » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:22 am

I'm no expert, but I've voted for 'all of the above' on the grounds that I can see no real basis for confining the influence of ἐμοὶ to just one of the options. Examples of the same kind of thing - whereby a word exerts its influence over a large part of a sentence - can also be found in Thucydides.

But let us see what others think.

Best wishes,

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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby GJCaesar » Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:29 am

I didn't comment, but John W. literally took the words out of my mouth. It can have a connection with all the verbs really, and I think that the position in the line also helps. It's kind of empathetic.

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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby Qimmik » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:06 pm

The main point of this sentence is that the speaker had just had dinner with his close friend Sostratos--and, as he goes on to say, could have asked him (Sostratos) to stand by as he killed Eratosthenes if he (the speaker) had laid a trap for Eratosthenes to settle some lesser account unrelated to the seduction of his wife (which, of course, wouldn't justify killing him). (Instead, he lets S. leave, and only after he discovers E. in flaganti goes to round up the neighbors, or so he says. Personally, I can't say that this line of reasoning is wholly convincing, but a lot of arguments offered by the Attic orators invite skepticism.) That's why ἐμοὶ is very emphatically placed at the beginning of the sentence. The other words and phrases -- φίλος ὢν, οἰκείως διακείμενος, and ἀπαντήσας -- are both grammatically and semantically subordinate to the main point, i.e., that the speaker had just had dinner with Sostratos, who would have been available as a back-up if the speaker had been planning to murder Eratosthenes.

In Greek, an explicit complement to these subordinate ideas repeating the pronominal complement of the main verb would be not just superfluous but otiose. For example, if instead of ἀπαντήσας, the speaker had chosen a participle taking an accusative complement, such as ἰδών, or genitive, such as τυχών, there would be no need in Greek for an accusative pronoun με or genitive pronoun μου, in addition to ἐμοὶ. Similarly, if the main verb were one that required an accusative complement, there would be no need to add μοι as a dative complement to φίλος ὢν, οἰκείως διακείμενος, and ἀπαντήσας. And adding μοι would be not only unneccessary but excessive in Greek, although in English we would need personal pronouns to go with these ideas. This is a difference between Greek and English.

So I think that purely as a grammatical question, ἐμοὶ is the complement of συνεδείπνει, although, of course, ἐμοὶ confirms that the speaker is talking about himself when he says φίλος ὢν, οἰκείως διακείμενος, and ἀπαντήσας.
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby daivid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:59 pm

What does the " ὅπερ καὶ πρότερον εἶπον" refer back to? I would have expected it to refer to Sostratos but his friend doesn't seem to have been mentioned before.
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby Qimmik » Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:59 pm

ὅπερ καὶ πρότερον εἶπον - "as [literally, "which"] I previously said".

ὅπερ is neuter (masculine would be ὅσπερ).

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Smyth+grammar+338&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0007

Sostratos is first mentioned in section 22.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0153%3Aspeech%3D1%3Asection%3D22
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby daivid » Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:37 pm

Qimmik wrote:
Sostratos is first mentioned in section 22.

Thanks -how could I have missed it!
And thanks for making the role of ὅπερ clear.
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby Markos » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:17 pm

I voted for "all of the above," which is not to say that I really disagree with what Qimmik wrote.

It is not at all uncommon for an object/complement to be left out in Greek where we would expect it in English, nor at all unusual for it not to be repeated. But one complement, and that in the dative, doing duty for FOUR verbal phrases struck me as unusual. Unusual, actually, in a good sense, and I cannot help but feel it was done for rhetorical effect. The effect it had on me is to reinforce the near psychopathic narcissism of Euphiletus that David is positing in the other thread. "Everything is about ἐμοὶ." But maybe this is eisegesis. I do think the more ordinary way to write the sentence would be to repeat a μοι at least once.
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Re: What does the ἐμοὶ in Lysias 1:39 go with?

Postby Qimmik » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:55 pm

"Everything is about ἐμοὶ."


Of course everything is about ἐμοὶ--he's defending himself against a murder rap, for pete's sake.
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