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by Milito » Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:53 pm
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<br /><br />by benissimus » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:47 pm
<br /><br />I, myself, am more interesting in English cognates (words that are related to Latin words by common ancestry). Such as L. ager and Eng. acre... L. mare and Eng. mere (a type of lake).
by mariek » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:44 pm
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by Milito » Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:45 pm
<br />[/quote]<br />Hey, it was Wheelock that taught me the trick! <br />[quote author=benissimus link=board=3;threadid=229;start=45#1591 date=1058564821]<br />I, myself, am more interesting in English cognates (words that are related to Latin words by common ancestry). Such as L. ager and Eng. acre... L. mare and Eng. mere (a type of lake).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Frankly, I just plain like word origins period...... The ones that came direct from Latin, the ones that came direct from Anglo-Saxon..... The ones that came direct from French....... It's just really interesting to see how a word got to where it is, and where it started. And which one's we're using frequently, and which ones we've sort of left behind at the side of the road like so much verbal rubbish...... (Like 'pulchritudinous'.... ;D)<br /><br />Knowing more about the words themselves just makes the language so much richer, somehow.....<br /><br />Kilmenyby Episcopus » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:11 pm
by benissimus » Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:58 pm
<br />by mariek » Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:40 am
<br /><br />I used to look at the etymology part of a word definition just to see where it came from but it didn't have as much meaning to me as it does now, now that I am learning some Latin words.<br /><br /><br /><br />Eight books on word origins??<br /><br />I'm curious to know which English dictionary you use.<br /><br />I have a 2-volume "short" edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, I think it's usually referred to as NSOED. But it's big and cumbersome to use. So I usually go for the Webster Unabridged. And for quick lookups online, it's http://www.dictionary.com<br /><br /><br />I've only been interested in the subject for a little under a year and already I have about 8 books on word origins and I also use them in conjunction with my English and Latin dictionaries and textbooks. I don't seem to have the time to read lately
by Milito » Tue Jul 22, 2003 2:18 pm
<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I know the feeling......... I grabbed the book that Seba mentioned, about how the texts we have got to us, and managed to start it, but just haven't had time to get more than into the first chapter..... However, since it's around, I'll be able (I hope!) to get to it eventually!<br /><br />So what are your books on word origins? (Says the word-phile, seeing an opportunity to increase the size of the home library, possibly to the point of causing the upstairs to fall through the floor to the downstairs......)<br /><br />Kilmenyby bingley » Tue Jul 22, 2003 2:41 pm
by Milito » Tue Jul 22, 2003 2:53 pm
by mariek » Tue Jul 22, 2003 6:12 pm
Perhaps they'll reprint it. Or I'll have to rummage through used bookstores...<br /><br />Thanks for the links, I've just bookmarked them. I was just looking at the "Lorem Ipsum..." entry on the Wordorgiins.org site, very interesting, I never knew that! <br />by benissimus » Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:09 am
<br /><br />My favorite dictionary is the American Heritage Dictionary: Fourth Edition (the same one that http://www.dictionary.com lists the first definitions with). I like it because it gives you enough information with Greek and Latin words to know how to conjugate/decline (if you have already learnt the patterns), and it also shows the currently known Indo-European roots. There is also an Indo-European dictionary in the back which is interesting to me.<br />The best part about it is that it goes into great detail in quite a few entries on Word History, Synonyms, and Proper Usage.<br /><br />As for my etymology/language books, I possess:<br />Wheelock's Latin 6th Edition Frederick M. Wheelock<br />*My main, but almost completed textbook.<br />445 Fascinating Word Origins Webb Garrison<br />*This book tells you the stories behind words, but quite often and frustratingly leaves out the actual original words.<br />Latin Can Be Fun George Capellanus<br />*An excellent source for Latin phrases and colloquialisms, written by a guy with a nice last name.<br />Dictionary of Latin and Greek Origins Bob and Maxine Moore<br />*A good book. Not so much etymology as it is telling you the original word and related words (a good memory aid).<br />Latin Quips at Your Fingertips Rose Williams<br />*A cute collection of Latin anecdotes, epigrams, and witty quotes with translation. Translations are a bit off in some cases, but you don't need a whole lot of fluency to realize the correct meaning.<br />Oxford Latin Course: Part 1 Maurice Balme & James Morwood<br />*An easy reader, mainly focusing on the childhood of the poet Horace with some exercises in the back. Now that I think of it, to those of you who are learning independently, I would recommend picking up a reader of some sort. Most of them are very simple and can be done by the equivalent of a 1 year Latin student or less.<br />Latin Crosswords Peter Jones & David Dare-Plumpton<br />*Nice way to learn vocabulary. Some of the games are so hard though that I get deprived of learning the new words!<br />Teach Yourself Ancient Greek Gavin Betts & Alan Henry<br />*Very fast-paced Greek text. I don't plan on learning Greek from it, but it serves as my only Greek book currently.<br />Latin for Americans Ullman, Henry, and Anderson<br />*Old book my teacher gave me as a present when I was tutoring someone. I have 2 different versions, both from the 60's. They are supposedly better than most modern texts, though very boring to those who aren't total grammarians.<br />Latin for the Illiterati Jon R. Stone<br />*A vast compilation of Latin terms and sayings. Translations are open to opinion (it tends to be fairly liberal for the sake of idiomatical structure). It includes a variety of topics ranging from "Insults" to "Animals" to "Love".<br />Forgotten English Jeffrey Kacirk<br />*All those lovely archaic words that you (or maybe just I) love to stumble across in the dictionary . Also offers accepted variants and stories behind the meanings.<br />The Queen's English Andy Swapp<br />*Those quirky British phrases and words that confuse the heck out of everyone else.<br />Cockney Rhyming Slang Gwyn Headley<br />*All right, Cockney isn't exactly a language ::), it's a fun read though.<br />Ecce! Romani! I used to have this textbook but had to return it.<br />*A reader/textbook hybrid of reasonable difficulty.<br /><br />How about you guys? What resources do you use (other than on-line)?by mariek » Wed Jul 23, 2003 5:09 am
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