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Translation Help: Thucydides VII

Postby Thucydides » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:05 pm

Thucydides VII, 78.7:

[face=SpIonic] oi(/ te a)/lloi* teuco/menoi w(=n e)piqumei=te/ pou e)idei=n kai\ oi( )Aqhnai=oi th\n mega/lhn du/namin th=j po/lewj kai/per peptwkui=an e)panorqw/sontej
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Others will achieve that wish you desire... but what's the epidein doing?

Thucydides VII, 84.5:

[face=spionic]kai\ to\ u(/dwr eu)qu\j die/fqarto*, a)ll' ou)de\n h(=sson e)pi/neto/ te o(mou= tw=| phlw=|* h(|matwme/non kai\ perima/xhton h)=n toi=j polloi=j. [/face]

I get the idea here: they drink muddy and bloody water, but I'm not sure how it works grammatically. Especially the homou

Thanks in advance.
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Postby whiteoctave » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:27 pm

Hey there,

The epidein is an infinitive dependent upon epithumeite, i.e. those things which you are desirous to see (=aor.act.inf. of ephoraw).The next bit is really nice Greek - "the Athenians will ressurrect the great power of the city, fallen though it is".

As regards the second passage, the first phrase is simple, "and immediately the water became contaminated", then "but it was drunk (epineto) no less (ouden hsson - adverbial comparative of kakos) together (adverbial homou) with the mud, though it was bloodied (this is the concessive use of the perfect passive participle of haimatow), and it was (hn) fought over (perimachhton - adj. from perimachomai with a passive sense) by (lit. among - en) many [men].

Thus: "And immediately the water became contaminated, but it was drunk nonetheless together with mud, even though it was bloodied, and it was even fought over by many".

Hope this helps,

~dave
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Postby Thucydides » Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:28 am

Thank You Very Much Dave :D :D :D

Are you at Cambridge University by the way?
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Postby whiteoctave » Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:57 am

yes,

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