peira/zwmen gra/phein e)n th^ E(llh/nika A)rchei/a
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peira/zwmen gra/phein e)n th^ E(llh/nika A)rchei/a
[Translation of the Topic line: Let us write in Ancient Greek]
I was thinking that it might be fun to start a topic of writing to one another in Classical Greek (it seems like all of these have been Latin) . . . So if anyone wishes, they can respond.
ἔδοκον ὅτι τερπνὸ εἴη γράπηειν ἐν τη^ ἑλλς/νικα γλω^σσα. οὐκ οἰ^δα ἐὰν τούτοις συμβόλοις [symbols] ξηρώμετηα . . . σκαιός [clumsy] εἰ^ναι δοκου^σι ἐμοὶ
[Translation: It seemed like it would be fun to write in the Greek language. I do not know whether we should use these symbols [i.e. diacritics] . . . they seem clumsy TO ME.]
Would it be better to say: pws echeis? or pw^s e)/cheis ?
I was thinking that it might be fun to start a topic of writing to one another in Classical Greek (it seems like all of these have been Latin) . . . So if anyone wishes, they can respond.
ἔδοκον ὅτι τερπνὸ εἴη γράπηειν ἐν τη^ ἑλλς/νικα γλω^σσα. οὐκ οἰ^δα ἐὰν τούτοις συμβόλοις [symbols] ξηρώμετηα . . . σκαιός [clumsy] εἰ^ναι δοκου^σι ἐμοὶ
[Translation: It seemed like it would be fun to write in the Greek language. I do not know whether we should use these symbols [i.e. diacritics] . . . they seem clumsy TO ME.]
Would it be better to say: pws echeis? or pw^s e)/cheis ?
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paraqou=mai, Neferxeprourh Vaenrh
εδ τῶ νεφερχεπρουρη Vαενρη,
παραθοῦμαι. οὐ μὲν ἐγὼ ἄγνως τονόσεως, ἐγώγε δοκῶ σκαιός ἐν τῶ ῥωμαικῶ ξαρακτήρι ξρῆσθαι τονόσει. ὅμως εὐξαριστῶ σοί. σύμφημι σοὶ δόχας περὶ αὐτῶ. ἀσπάζομαι
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Re: paraqou=mai, Neferxeprourh Vaenrh
νεφερξηεπρυρε εδι χαίρειν
χαλεπὸς δὴ τονόσεων χρῆσθαι, κἀγὼ δ’ ἁμαρτάνω πολύ. πρέπει γὰρ τοῖς μαθηταῖς τὰ χαλεπὰ πόνειν, χαλεπῷ ἄρα τῷ πόνῷ ἑαυτοὺς παιδευουσι.
οὐκ εἶπον ἐσὺ τόνοσιν ἄγνωναι, φανερὸς δέ, ὅτι ἀληθῶς τούτων οἶσθα χρώμενος. ἀλλὰ δεῖ μοι διδάσκειν σε περὶ τὸν ,,βητα‐κωδε’’. προσήκει γὰρ πᾶσι γράφειν τὸ ,,ξ’’ ὡς ἐν ,,ἕξω’’ καὶ ,,φύλαξ’’, καὶ το ,,χ’’ ἐν ,,ἔχω’’ τε ,,σχήσω’’ τε καὶ ,,πεφύλαχᾱ’.
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οὐ γὰρ οἶος τ’ εἰμὶ μανθάνειν τὰ ἐν "quote" λιπόμενα ἔρρωσοejkotynski wrote:... σύμφημι σοὶ δόχας περὶ αὐτῶ. ...
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:D eu)xaristw=, fi/le mou!
Ed tw=| Nefercheprure,
au)= paraqou=mai
e)nenoh/sa o(\ su\ ei)=pes! eu)xaristw= pa/lin
ti/ to\ o)/noma/ soi a)lhqw=j;
o)/noma/ moi Edward . . . fi/loi mou kalou=si Edi.
patri\j me\n e)moi\ "Amerika", po/lla d) e)/th e)/trafhn e)n
xqwni/ "Indonesia/kh|". au)to\j h)rca/mhn manqa/nein th=| (Ellhnikh=|
glw/ssh! e)n tw=! u(/steron didaskalei/w| e)gw\ w)\n e)n "Philippinaj"
[to\ e)/toj h)=n 1998]. nu=n de\ telew= toi=j e)moi=j maqh/masi th=j
(Ellhnikh=j pro\j "Wheaton College" e)n "Amerika" e)/gguj po/lewj
tou= "Chicago".
pou= oi)kei=j; oi)=da o(/ti ei)= a)po\ "Prague, Czech Republic", a)lla\
qelo/menoj ma^llon gnw/somai kai\ o(po/te e)/maqej (Ellhnikh=|, ktl.
[kai\ ta\ loipa/]
xai=re
au)= paraqou=mai
e)nenoh/sa o(\ su\ ei)=pes! eu)xaristw= pa/lin
ti/ to\ o)/noma/ soi a)lhqw=j;
o)/noma/ moi Edward . . . fi/loi mou kalou=si Edi.
patri\j me\n e)moi\ "Amerika", po/lla d) e)/th e)/trafhn e)n
xqwni/ "Indonesia/kh|". au)to\j h)rca/mhn manqa/nein th=| (Ellhnikh=|
glw/ssh! e)n tw=! u(/steron didaskalei/w| e)gw\ w)\n e)n "Philippinaj"
[to\ e)/toj h)=n 1998]. nu=n de\ telew= toi=j e)moi=j maqh/masi th=j
(Ellhnikh=j pro\j "Wheaton College" e)n "Amerika" e)/gguj po/lewj
tou= "Chicago".
pou= oi)kei=j; oi)=da o(/ti ei)= a)po\ "Prague, Czech Republic", a)lla\
qelo/menoj ma^llon gnw/somai kai\ o(po/te e)/maqej (Ellhnikh=|, ktl.
[kai\ ta\ loipa/]
xai=re
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Neferxeprourh tw=| )Edi xai/rein.
a)=r' e)cesti/ moi e)rrwta=n ti; ti/ ou=n shmai/nei to\ ,,paraqou=mai''; a)=ra se/ tis e)piti/qetai; a)=ra tis qa=tton dra/mei h)= su/; kai\ ei) e)neno/hsas, ti/ e)poi/hsas; a)=r' e)/laqes fobou/menos; a)=r' e)gela/sas e)/dws a(/tta ei)=pon;
fanero\n dh/ soi Edward e)sti tou)/noma. a)lla\ laqo/menon to\ e)n tw=| me/sw=| o)/noma. a)=r' o( )Iwa/nnhs, a)=r' o( )Ia/swn ei)=; to\ de\ panu/staton o)/noma/ sou dokei= moi Kotynsky ei)=nai. ei) alhqw=s fa/qi moi, a)=r' ou)/k e)sti tou)/noma e)k th=| Eu)rw/ph| th=| a)natolikh=|;
polu\ h)/dh e)/th manqa/nw i)di/a| (Ellhnisti/, to\ mo/non h(/misu e)/tos e)n tw=| Panepistemi/w| tou= Karo/lou dedi/dagmai.
diati/ ou)=n ou(=tw| e)rrwta=|s;
Ou)=tis e)moi/ g' o)noma, Ou)=tin de/ me kiklh/skousi
mh/thr h)de\ path\r h)de\ a)/lloi pa=ntes e(tai=roi.
e)/laqon me\n tou)/noma/ mou, dhlw/sw de/ soi tw)lhqe\s o)/noma ei) eu) ei)/dws o(/stis a)lhqw=s h)=n o( Neferxeprourh e)moi/g' e)rwtw=nti a)pokrinh|=
e)rrwso!
N.
a)=r' e)cesti/ moi e)rrwta=n ti; ti/ ou=n shmai/nei to\ ,,paraqou=mai''; a)=ra se/ tis e)piti/qetai; a)=ra tis qa=tton dra/mei h)= su/; kai\ ei) e)neno/hsas, ti/ e)poi/hsas; a)=r' e)/laqes fobou/menos; a)=r' e)gela/sas e)/dws a(/tta ei)=pon;
fanero\n dh/ soi Edward e)sti tou)/noma. a)lla\ laqo/menon to\ e)n tw=| me/sw=| o)/noma. a)=r' o( )Iwa/nnhs, a)=r' o( )Ia/swn ei)=; to\ de\ panu/staton o)/noma/ sou dokei= moi Kotynsky ei)=nai. ei) alhqw=s fa/qi moi, a)=r' ou)/k e)sti tou)/noma e)k th=| Eu)rw/ph| th=| a)natolikh=|;
polu\ h)/dh e)/th manqa/nw i)di/a| (Ellhnisti/, to\ mo/non h(/misu e)/tos e)n tw=| Panepistemi/w| tou= Karo/lou dedi/dagmai.
diati/ ou)=n ou(=tw| e)rrwta=|s;
Ou)=tis e)moi/ g' o)noma, Ou)=tin de/ me kiklh/skousi
mh/thr h)de\ path\r h)de\ a)/lloi pa=ntes e(tai=roi.
e)/laqon me\n tou)/noma/ mou, dhlw/sw de/ soi tw)lhqe\s o)/noma ei) eu) ei)/dws o(/stis a)lhqw=s h)=n o( Neferxeprourh e)moi/g' e)rwtw=nti a)pokrinh|=
e)rrwso!
N.
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Ed tw=|Neferxeprourh xai/rein.
ei)=pes:
u(/steron gra/yw soi
e)/rrwso!
E.
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w)= Neferxeprourh, e)/laqo/n ti
a)naginw=skein to\ teleutai=on me/ros th=j sh=j e)pistolh=s peira/sas, ou) du/namai sunie/nai tou+to:
ei) dokei= soi, tau)ta\ le/ge e)n toi=s a)/llois lo/gois.
kai\ ti/ shmai/nei "tw)lhte\s"; e)nnoei=s "tw)lhqe\s";
e)/xw soi xa/rin
e)/rrwso!
E.
ei)=pes:
ou) now= "paraqou=mai" a)lla\ "paraitou=mai"a)=r' e)xesti/ moi e)rrwta=n ti; ti/ ou=n shmai/nei to\ ,,paraqou=mai'';
u(/steron gra/yw soi
e)/rrwso!
E.
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w)= Neferxeprourh, e)/laqo/n ti
a)naginw=skein to\ teleutai=on me/ros th=j sh=j e)pistolh=s peira/sas, ou) du/namai sunie/nai tou+to:
dhlw/sw de/ soi tw)lhte\s o)/noma ei) eu) ei)/dws o(/stis a)lhqw=s h)=n o( Neferxeprourh e)moi/g' e)rwtw=nti a)pokrinh|=
ei) dokei= soi, tau)ta\ le/ge e)n toi=s a)/llois lo/gois.
kai\ ti/ shmai/nei "tw)lhte\s"; e)nnoei=s "tw)lhqe\s";
e)/xw soi xa/rin
e)/rrwso!
E.
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e)a\n su/ mh\ grayh|s su\n toi=s ,,0'' kai\ ,,&'' ra|/wn manqa/nw o(ti legois a)/n.chad wrote:u(mi=n polla_ xai/rein. e0a_n gra&fhte su\n toi~j mega&loij gramma&toij, u(mi=n h(de/wj diale/comai: e1rrwsqe.
tou=s de\ th=s a)gora=s fu/lakas ai)tou=. oi( dh\ oi(/oi t' ei)si/ soi boh/qein.
e)a\n to\
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ou) nomi/zousi a)lla\ to\
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k.t.l., e)cesti\ dh\ ta\ gra/mmata tw=| brwu/seri mei/zona poiei=n.
Mozilla du/natai ta\ gra/mmata mei/zona poiei=n, kai/per su\n to\
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Internet Explored ou) du/natai ou)/den...
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[size=200]ταύτῃ οὖν γράψω.
γραπτέον ἐστι τὰς ὀξύτητας ἡμῖν, ἐμοὶ ἂν ἐδόκει, καὶ εἰ σκαιαί εἰσιν, ἵνα ἀμέλωμεν μήτε τῆς εὐρυθμίας μήτε τοῦ τόνου τῶν ῥημάτων.
περὶ τῶν ὀξυτήτων, ἴδε·[/size]
[face=Arial]http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/pt ... Crat.+399a[/face]
[size=200]ῥᾳδίως καὶ εὖ γράφειν μοι δοκεῖτε·ἀρ’ οὐ πάλαι μανθάνετε, ὦ νεφερχεπρούρε καὶ εδ; ἔρρωσθε.[/size]
[face=Arial]http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/pt ... Crat.+399a[/face]
[size=200]ῥᾳδίως καὶ εὖ γράφειν μοι δοκεῖτε·ἀρ’ οὐ πάλαι μανθάνετε, ὦ νεφερχεπρούρε καὶ εδ; ἔρρωσθε.[/size]
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pau=sai!
i)/de, i)/de
pau=son to\n lo/gon pere\ to/nwn kai\ tw=n grammatw=n.
e)n tau/th| th=| a)gora=| gra/ywmen kata\ tro/pon o(/s ge/graptai
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h)/ toi gra/fe homoi/ws h)\ lei=pe. gra/ywmen ou(/tws i(/na pa/ntes duna/meqa a)naginw/skein.
gra/fwmen peri\ tw=n a)/llwn pragma/twn
noei=s;
E
pau=son to\n lo/gon pere\ to/nwn kai\ tw=n grammatw=n.
e)n tau/th| th=| a)gora=| gra/ywmen kata\ tro/pon o(/s ge/graptai
w(=de: viewtopic.php?t=111
h)/ toi gra/fe homoi/ws h)\ lei=pe. gra/ywmen ou(/tws i(/na pa/ntes duna/meqa a)naginw/skein.
gra/fwmen peri\ tw=n a)/llwn pragma/twn
noei=s;
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peri th=j e)mh=s e)rwth/sews
Ed tw=| Neferxeprourh,
ei)/amai e)rwta=n ma=llon a(/pac;
pro/teron e)rw/thsa w(=de:
ei) dokei= soi, tau)ta\ le/ge e)n toi=s a)/llois lo/gois
E.
ei)/amai e)rwta=n ma=llon a(/pac;
pro/teron e)rw/thsa w(=de:
ei) dokei= soi, tau)ta\ le/ge e)n toi=s a)/llois lo/gois
ou)k me\n oi)=da o(/s e)stin Neferxeprourh, oi)=da de\ o(/ti Odusseu/ e)stin o( a)nh\r o(\n le/geis o(/te parati/qhs tou\s lo/gous tou= (Omh/rou:ei) eu) ei)/dws o(/stis a)lhqw=s h)=n o( Neferxeprourh e)moi/g' e)rwtw=nti a)pokrinh|=
e)/rrwso,Ou)=tis e)moi/ g' o)noma, Ou)=tin de/ me kiklh/skousi
mh/thr h)de\ path\r h)de\ a)/lloi pa=ntes e(tai=roi.
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a)lla\ me/ntoi g' i)/de:
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a)lla\ ou)/ moi me/lei, ou)k ga\r oi)=mai ei)=nai ti h(mi=n tou=to.
melw/ e)n tw=| paro/nti tou= peri\ tou= stefa/nou lo/gou (brade/ws)... ti/ me\n a)nagignw/skete; e)/rrwsqe.
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kai\ dh\ to\ tou= SP )Ionikou= e)n tau/th| th| a)gora=| polla/kis xrh=tai, oi)=on:For representing Greek on Textkit.com, we've basically settled on using the SPIonic font.
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a)lla\ ou)/ moi me/lei, ou)k ga\r oi)=mai ei)=nai ti h(mi=n tou=to.
melw/ e)n tw=| paro/nti tou= peri\ tou= stefa/nou lo/gou (brade/ws)... ti/ me\n a)nagignw/skete; e)/rrwsqe.
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peri\ tw=n gramma/twn
εδ τῷ [face=Arial]chad[/face] χαίρειν
εὐχαριστῶ σοι τὸ [face=Arial]"website"[/face] περὶ [face=Arial]SPIonic[/face]
νομίζω ἡμᾶς ἀγανακτεῖν περὶ τῆς σῆς προσωδίας οὐκ ὅτι σὺ χρήσῃ [face=Arial]"SPIonic"[/face], ἄλλα ὅτι [face=Arial]"SPIonic"[/face] σοῦ ἔχει τοὺς χαρακτῆρας οἳ οὐδεὶς δύναμαι ἀναγινώσκειν εἰ μὴ ἔχει τὸ [face=Arial]"SPIonic Font"[/face]. εἰ χρήσῃ [face=Arial]SPIonic[/face], χρήσου τούτοις τοῖς χαρακτηρσί καὶ τὸ [face=Arial]"Font Settings"[/face]
εἰ δοκεῖ σοι, μὴ χρήσου τοῖς χαρακτηρσί ὁμοίοις τῷ [face=Arial]"&"[/face] ἢ τῷ [face=Arial]"%"[/face] περὶ τῆς ἀγοραῆς, οὐ νοῶ τὴν ὅλην ἀγορὰν, ἄλλα μόνον ταὐτην τὴν σμικρὴν ἀγοράν. παραιτοῦμαι διὰ τὴν ταραχήν. καὶ γ) ἐγὼ παραιτοῦμαι διά τινα λόγον ὃν ἔλεξα πρότερον ἔρρωσο ε
"Default, Large, SPIonic"
εἰ δοκεῖ σοι, μὴ χρήσου τοῖς χαρακτηρσί ὁμοίοις τῷ [face=Arial]"&"[/face] ἢ τῷ [face=Arial]"%"[/face] περὶ τῆς ἀγοραῆς, οὐ νοῶ τὴν ὅλην ἀγορὰν, ἄλλα μόνον ταὐτην τὴν σμικρὴν ἀγοράν. παραιτοῦμαι διὰ τὴν ταραχήν. καὶ γ) ἐγὼ παραιτοῦμαι διά τινα λόγον ὃν ἔλεξα πρότερον ἔρρωσο ε
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[size=150]τῷ εδ πολλὰ χαίρειν,
μὴ παραιτοῦ, ὦ εδ, καὶ γὰρ τοῦτο ὀρθόν, ὅτι οὐ γράφομεν ἐνταῦθα ὅπως μάτην λέγωμον, ἀλλὰ ὅπως ῥᾷστα συννοώμεθα καὶ σὺν ὡς πλεῖστα διαλεγώμεθα, ὥστε θαρρῶν σὺν ἀμφοτέροις τρόποις γράψω. καὶ δὴ ἐγώγε, ἄπειρος ῶν καὶ τὸν διδάσκαλον οὐκ ἔχων, τῷ σύν σοί τε καὶ νεφερχεπρουρῃ καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις διαλέγεσθαι, ἐλπίζω διδάσκεσθαι βέλτιον γράφειν. ὥστε βουλοίμην ἄν σε, ὦ εδ, φαίνειν τίνα τρόπον μεμάθηκε εὖ γράφειν, ἢ τῷ πολὺ ἀναγιγνώσκειν, ἢ τάχα τῷ ἐπιτηδεύειν μετὰ τοῖς συγγραμμάτοις, οἶα[/size][face=Arial] "north & hillard", "sidgwick".[/face][size=150] χαῖρε.[/size]
[face=Arial]tw=| Ed polla\ xai/rein,
mh\ paraitou=, w)= Ed, kai\ ga\r tou=to o)rqo/n, o(/ti ou) gra/fomen e)ntau=qa o(/pws ma/thn le/gwmon, a)lla\ o(/pws r(a=|sta sunnow/meqa kai\ su\n w(s plei=sta dialegw/meqa, w(/ste qarrw=n su\n a)mfote/rois tro/pois gra/yw. kai\ dh\ e)gw/ge, a)/peiros w=n kai\ to\n dida/skalon ou)k e)/xwn, tw=| su/n soi/ te kai\ Neferxeprourh| kai\ toi=s a)/llois diale/gesqai, e)lpi/zw dida/skesqai be/ltion gra/fein. w(/ste bouloi/mhn a)/n se, w)= Ed, fai/nein ti/na tro/pon mema/qhke eu)= gra/fein, h)\ tw=| polu\ a)nagignw/skein, h)\ ta/xa tw=| e)pithdeu/ein meta\ toi=s suggramma/tois, oi)=a "north & hillard's", "sidgwick's". xai=re.[/face]
[face=Arial]tw=| Ed polla\ xai/rein,
mh\ paraitou=, w)= Ed, kai\ ga\r tou=to o)rqo/n, o(/ti ou) gra/fomen e)ntau=qa o(/pws ma/thn le/gwmon, a)lla\ o(/pws r(a=|sta sunnow/meqa kai\ su\n w(s plei=sta dialegw/meqa, w(/ste qarrw=n su\n a)mfote/rois tro/pois gra/yw. kai\ dh\ e)gw/ge, a)/peiros w=n kai\ to\n dida/skalon ou)k e)/xwn, tw=| su/n soi/ te kai\ Neferxeprourh| kai\ toi=s a)/llois diale/gesqai, e)lpi/zw dida/skesqai be/ltion gra/fein. w(/ste bouloi/mhn a)/n se, w)= Ed, fai/nein ti/na tro/pon mema/qhke eu)= gra/fein, h)\ tw=| polu\ a)nagignw/skein, h)\ ta/xa tw=| e)pithdeu/ein meta\ toi=s suggramma/tois, oi)=a "north & hillard's", "sidgwick's". xai=re.[/face]