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Postby daivid » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:50 pm

Where might I find a full list of Greek prefixes along with their meaning?

There are some that list the most common ones but even I have yet to find a list
that includes συμ/συν/συγ which I presume means together and is quite common.
(even Smyth let me down)

Anyone I know where I might find such a list?
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Scribo » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:52 am

Can it be in print?
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby daivid » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:26 am

Scribo wrote:Can it be in print?

By all means though I might go for a library edition depending on which it is.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Paul Derouda » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:21 pm

If you know French, Chantraine's Grammaire Homérique vol 2 has a good treatment (the chapter is called "prépositions et préverbes", i.e. he doesn't make so much of a difference whether they are tied to a head word or whether they're freestanding). It'll be just Homeric Greek of course.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby daivid » Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:06 pm

Paul Derouda wrote:If you know French, Chantraine's Grammaire Homérique vol 2 has a good treatment (the chapter is called "prépositions et préverbes", i.e. he doesn't make so much of a difference whether they are tied to a head word or whether they're freestanding). It'll be just Homeric Greek of course.


Thanks very much for the suggestion but my French is no more than half forgotten fragments from school.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby NateD26 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:10 pm

What is it about συν you couldn't understand?

I thought that Smyth's sections 1636 onwards are rather detailed and all-encompassing,
and you've got LSJ's treatment of each preposition to supplement that.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby daivid » Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:18 am

NateD26 wrote:What is it about συν you couldn't understand?

I thought that Smyth's sections 1636 onwards are rather detailed and all-encompassing,
and you've got LSJ's treatment of each preposition to supplement that.


If all prefixes are formed from prepositions and the meaning of the prefix is entirely predictable from the meaning of the preposition then yes Smyth does indeed provide the necessary information.

I still would be interested in a full treatment focused on prefixes. Using the downloaded version I could not even find any mention that prepositions serve as prefixes and I do wonder if it can be that simple.

Nonetheless, it does seem that your suggestion provides exactly the info I seek, so thank you very much.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby spiphany » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Well no, prepositions aren't the only things used as prefixes. But they do make up a large majority of the ones you will see.
If I recall the Reading Greek course has a reasonably good section on word-building (I'm not absolutely certain that this is the source, as I only have a photocopied handout from a second-year Greek course & it doesn't have the title on it).

Honestly, I would expect textbooks and most reference grammars to have at least some discussion of word-building; you might also try books geared specifically towards vocabulary acquisition, although I can't make recommendations (the only book like this that I've used is one in German, which I doubt is what you're looking for)
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Markos » Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:29 pm

spiphany:
Well no, prepositions aren't the only things used as prefixes.


Indeed you've got augments, alpha privative, things like δυσ- and ζα- (which may have originally been prepositions/adverbs.) I guess any compound word could be said to have a prefix. In the word (phrase?) τὄυνεκα, you would have to say that the article is functioning as a prefix.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby spiphany » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:03 am

Markos wrote:In the word (phrase?) τὄυνεκα, you would have to say that the article is functioning as a prefix.

No, not really, as I understand it. Prefixing is *not* an umbrella term for any combination of words or word parts to make a larger word.

With prefixing, you have a word fragment that can't stand alone (called a bound morpheme) which is added before a word root to make a new word. Many prefixes are derived from adverbs or prepositions, and they'll have a meaning which is in some way related, but they're not, strictly speaking, functioning as prepositions when used this way. (There is a grey area here, as any speaker of German will know or anyone familiar with the Homeric phenomenon of tmesis -- prefixes can go wandering and become separated from their verbs, but they're still not functioning as prepositions because they don't form a prepositional phrase)

In the case of compounding, you have two or more roots (lexemes, really; units that can serve as the basis for a word and which can be inflected or added to to create derivatives) that are being stuck together, sometimes in slightly modified form. Compounds may not be as productive as prefixes, and the meaning or relationship between the parts may not be as easy to predict.

τὄυνεκα is neither of the above. It's an example of a phrase (article + postposition) which has become fossilized and now functions as a single word. A lot of conjunctions are formed this way. One huge difference between something like this and prefixing is that the parts being combined still show inflection and follow the rules of prepositional phrases -- prefixes don't.
IPHIGENIE: Kann uns zum Vaterland die Fremde werden?
ARKAS: Und dir ist fremd das Vaterland geworden.
IPHIGENIE: Das ist's, warum mein blutend Herz nicht heilt.
(Goethe, Iphigenie auf Tauris)
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Scribo » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:01 am

τὄυνεκα is just crasis, nothing fancy.

As for lists, there are quite a few spread all over books from what I've seen. Both Chatraine and the orange Homeric Grammar have a nice selection plus usage, as do most grammars it seems. I don't know how exhaustive they are, I think even some common ones like aneu were missing from the Oxford grammar. One of the monographs I found on Greek preps only lists the modern ones.

I should probably check my own notes for you actually.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby daivid » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:00 pm

Scribo wrote: Both Chatraine and the orange Homeric Grammar have a nice selection plus usage.

I tried searching for Chatraine + Ancient Greek but didn't find anything. What extra do I need to track it down?
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Grochojad » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:20 pm

daivid wrote:
Scribo wrote: Both Chatraine and the orange Homeric Grammar have a nice selection plus usage.

I tried searching for Chatraine + Ancient Greek but didn't find anything. What extra do I need to track it down?


It looks like you need an extra "n" ChaNtraine.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby daivid » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:45 pm

Grochojad wrote:
daivid wrote:I tried searching for Chatraine + Ancient Greek but didn't find anything. What extra do I need to track it down?

It looks like you need an extra "n" ChaNtraine.


And if I had only rechecked this page I would have found:
Paul Derouda wrote:If you know French, Chantraine's Grammaire Homérique vol 2 has a good treatment


but it being in French remains an insuperable problem for me.
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Re: Greek prefixes - list of

Postby Scribo » Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:00 pm

daivid wrote:
Scribo wrote: Both Chatraine and the orange Homeric Grammar have a nice selection plus usage.

I tried searching for Chatraine + Ancient Greek but didn't find anything. What extra do I need to track it down?


Yes, extra n, sorry burnt y finger and having trouble typing.
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