Thrasymachus XXII

[Amadeus]

I have a couple of questions on chapter 22 of Thrasymachus. If someone could clarify theses things for me...

Up until the last paragraph of this chapter, the Greek vocabulary was the familiar Attic Greek. But the last paragraph, indented as in verse, is different:

ἦμος δ᾽ ἠέλιος μετενίσσετο βουλυτόνδε
καὶ τότε δὴ Κίκονες κλῖναν δαμάσαντες ἈχαιοÏ￾Ï‚.
ἕξ δ᾽ ἀφ᾽ ἑκάστης νηὸς á¼￾ϋκνημῖδες ἑταῖÏ￾οι
ὤλονθ᾽, οἱ δ᾽ ἄλλοι φÏ￾γομεν θάνατόν τε μόÏ￾ον τε.

I think I recognize ἥλιος and νεως, but why are they written this way? Is this a variation of Attic, or is it Homeric/Koine?

[modus.irrealis]

I think I recognize ἥλιος and νεως, but why are they written this way? Is this a variation of Attic, or is it Homeric/Koine?

They're forms you'd find in Homer, and in fact it's an excerpt from the Odyssey (9.58-61).

[annis]

As modus.irrealis has said, this is Homer. Let's pretend I'm a scholia writer for a moment...

ἦμος δ᾽ ἠέλιος μετενίσσετο βουλυτόνδε
καὶ τότε δὴ Κίκονες κλῖναν δαμάσαντες ἈχαιοÏ￾Ï‚.
ἕξ δ᾽ ἀφ᾽ ἑκάστης νηὸς á¼￾ϋκνημῖδες ἑταῖÏ￾οι
ὤλονθ᾽, οἱ δ᾽ ἄλλοι φÏ￾γομεν θάνατόν τε μόÏ￾ον τε.

1. ἦμος· ὅτε
ἠέλιος· ἥλιος
βουλυτόνδε· εἰς βουλυτόν (Homer may use the suffix -δε on acc. nouns with various locative senses)
2. κλῖναν· ἔκλιναν (Homer may drop the augment)
3. νηός· νεώς (see Smyth275, footnote 3 for the Homeric declension of this wacky word)
4. φÏ￾γομεν· á¼￾φÏ￾γομεν (again, dropped augment)

[Amadeus]

Thanks modus and annis!

If these are the kind of differences one finds between the various Greek dialects, then they're not as difficult as I once thought.

[annis]

If these are the kind of differences one finds between the various Greek dialects, then they're not as difficult as I once thought.

Epic (which is mostly Ionic), Attic and Koine are kissing cousins. Doric and Aeolic can be more surprising.

[Σαῦλος]

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Sure wish I could read this. It's gibberish on my computer.