

Mongoose42 wrote:Your entire arguement is designed to answer the question of how do I know you are real, but what if you look at the heart of philosophy, the words. Since philosophy is the study and manipulation of words, how do I know that the words you are using mean the same to me as they mean to you?
So if we agree that there are no absolute facts, even in the definition of words, how is it that "enlightened" intellectuals use philosophy, a science founded on words, to justify all of the events in the world? Shouldn't the ultimate result of your arguement be a world in which nothing exists except doubt and uncertainty?
andthreewood14 wrote: He believed that since man defines his world as what he thinks it is, then that is reality for man.
threewood14 wrote:
Man defines his world and thereofore what he defines things as is his reality. But of course this does not mean that all humans define their reality the same...
Man cannot know anything about another's reality except for his knowledge of uncertainty and his own reality.

Furthermore, the statement "man cannot know anything except for his knowledge of uncertainty" is self-destructive. It contradicts itself. For example, if it is true that man cannot know anything, then the statement saying that man cannot know anything could be false.
If you look at the end of that sentence, it reads 'except for knowledge of uncertainty' which makes it so it does not contradict itself.
Man A believes that fire puts out water. Man B hears Man A say this and also believes it. Man B may believe that water is chocolate while Man A may think water is water. They think they are talking about the same thing, but they are not. Man B misunderstands Man A, but he still believs him. In order to view the universe like another does, you would have to be that one.

threewood14 wrote:Furthermore, the statement "man cannot know anything except for his knowledge of uncertainty" is self-destructive. It contradicts itself. For example, if it is true that man cannot know anything, then the statement saying that man cannot know anything could be false.
He may not know everything, but he can know something.
Problem one - The statement contradicts itself.
Solution 1 - Man's only knowledge is his knowledge of uncertainty. Yes, you can argue that you cannot be certain about uncertainty. But the idea does not work that way. Maybe I have chosen poor vocabulary, but I'm not sure I have. Here is another way to look at it. The only fact one can know is that he knows nothing else. The only fact one can know involves uncertainty. Therefore, he knows for certain that he doesn't know anything else. I have tried explaining it in one sentence, but it usually refers to a run-on statement. So I tried for one sentence. the ...except for his knowledge of uncertainty was basically the only fact. The only fact man can know is that he knows nothing else. One cannot be uncertain about not knowing anything else.
Problem 2 - One can know something about another's reality
Solution 2 - Jimmy says tha he sees an apple on the table. Billy, says that he does not see an apple on the same table. Obviously, they have a different perspective on reality. How can Jimmy convince Billy that he sees an apple on the table? The first answer would of course be english. "I see an apple on the table," says Jimmy. Billy would probably agree that he does. But how would one know that Jimmy isn't lying? Also, since everyone has their own reality, everyone may have a different take on how to use english. So (and again take this literally) Billy may think that Jimmy is telling him that he wants a candy bar. Billy would probably look at him funny. The point is, if we try to view the universe as another does, we will find out that we cannot. Once we think we understand, it becomes part of own perspective of the universe.
One could argue that the ideas are the same. But there is a chance that one misunderstands another. Although this chance is small and usually unnoticed, it still exists and therefore creates an uncertainty in the way we look at another's preception of the universe. In order to view the universe like another does, we would have to be that person.
He may not know everything, but he can know something.
If you do not know everything about one simple idea, how could you know it for certain?

He cannot justify it. He cannot prove it. Therefore, this entire statement has been built on a faulty foundation, thus rendering it meaningless.
Even though we cannot be 100% sure, there is an extremely high probability that everyone who speaks English uses the absolute definitions. This probability is so high that we know "for sure" that everyone means what he or she means. Ask yourself this: Why would someone use definitions of English words that no one else accepts as true? It would not benefit that person in any way, shape or form. It would just be plain old dumb!
To start off, there is only one reality that exists in this universe. That which is, is. There is no denying reality. Reality is and will always be real. The way one detects what is real is by his or her senses (touch, smell, taste, sight, and hearing).
All people, provided that they have no defects, have the same instruments or means of detecting reality. Our brains all function the same way, provided that there are no defects, as well. Therefore, an apple to person A is the same thing as an apple to person B, provided that there are no imperfections with the senses of both people.
Person A, using absolute English definitions, says to Person B: "I see an apple on the table."
Person B hears these sounds, and recognizes them as English words. His brain translates these words into ideas which he can perceive and think about. Person B then formulates a response, and, using absolute English definitions, says to Person A: "I see an apple on the table as well."
Person A hears these words and thinks to himself, there really must be an apple on the table. I have detected it and he has detected it, therefore there is an apple on the table, in real or actual reality.
Person B concludes the same thing.
Now, what does this mean? It means that it is possible for one to understand another person and to comprehend a portion of his reality. After all, absolute reality can only be formulated via the exchanging of people's own perceptions of reality.
Now, what does this mean? It means that it is possible for one to understand another person and to comprehend a portion of his reality. After all, absolute reality can only be formulated via the exchanging of people's own perceptions of reality.
I think my statement is perfect now...
"The only fact man can know is the fact that he knows nothing else except for his definitions and/or obsevations of the universe."


The only thing that man can know is his definitions and observations of the universe.
Man's reality and universe is comprised entirely of definitions and observations.
Man's knowledge is unlimited, thus he can know things and it is possible for him to know everything.
I do not think man's knowledge is unlimited because in order to do that, he would have to view the universe from an infinite amount of points which would require and infinite amount of time.


1. One cannot predict future events with absolute certainty.
2. One cannot observe reality neutrally. If one tries to, he will have his own perspective on the universe.
3. One cannot conclude with absolute certainty that his prespective of the universe is proportional to reality.



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