[quote author=Raya link=board=2;threadid=243;start=0#1298 date=1058082677]<br /> In Greek, sentences (or clauses within a sentence) will often have 'kai' or 'alla' or 'de' near the beginning, to indicate a new thought. I'd translate it as 'And Homer teacher his brother with skill.'<br />[/quote]<br /><br />According to both H/Q and B/H, kai is also used in the sense of even or also. How do I tell which usage is intended? If it was intended in the sense you suggest, why didn't it come first in the sentence?<br /><br />[quote author=Raya link=board=2;threadid=243;start=0#1298 date=1058082677]<br /> In English, you can put the predicate first to draw emphasis to it. (Notice the previous sentence: I put 'In English' first, to draw attention to the fact that I'm discussing English, although I would still be grammatically correct with: 'You can put the predicate first...in English'.) So try: 'In the arts, Homer teaches his brother with a book.'<br />[/quote]<br /><br />OK, fair enough. But you missed the point of my question. Dative w/ e)n is used to indicate static place, as opposed to movement toward (accusative) or away from (genitive), right? As used in the exercise sentence, the dative phrase doesn't really deal with place, except in a metaphorical sort of sense. If I directly translate the words into English, it happens to make sense in English. But I want to make sure that it makes sense in Greek!
<br /><br />[quote author=Raya link=board=2;threadid=243;start=0#1298 date=1058082677]<br /> Both 'adelphon' and 'tekhnen' are direct objects of the subject - consider how in English you could say: 'Homer is teaching his brother the arts'. Think, the question: 'What is Homer teaching?' you could legitimately answer with: 'he is teaching arts' as much as: 'he is teaching his brother'. So, 'Homer is teaching his brother the arts with books.'<br />[/quote]<br /><br />In English, the word "teach" is a bit slippery, and allows either what is being taught or who is being taught to be the direct object. But either way, it shouldn't be allowed to have two
direct objects in one sentence, should it? For instance, "Homer is teaching his brother the arts" is either saying "Homer is teaching the arts to his brother", in which case "the arts" is the direct object, and "his brother" is the indirect object; or it is saying "Homer is teaching his brother in the arts", in which case "his brother" is the direct object, and "the arts" is the indirect object. Whichever way you choose to parse the sentence, it shouldn't have two direct objects, should it?<br /><br />And if you use the word "educate" instead of "teach", then this slipperiness isn't allowed; "Homer educates his brother" is fine, but "Homer educates the arts" just doesn't sound right. Is this slipperiness allowed with paideu/ei, or does it always take a person as its direct object?<br /><br />Thank you for the help.<br /><br />
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