i do not think of god as a being at. i do not think he is angry, happy, loving, and that's because i don't think there is a him
Yes, God can't be a physical being, because how can something that exists here as part of this universe have created it.
Does that mean you do not think God has a consciousness or a mind? Is he perfect, as in he never changes his mind at all... it's always in one state that never changes? If that is so, then he doesn't have a conscious mind, as the definition of that is that it is something ever changing, that feels emotions and thinks things over. If he is really unchanging, then how can that be called consciousness? You could just as well call it a number or anything else - you could just call it (God) the cause of the universe, in which case you'd reduce God to just being 'the thing at the beginning of the universe'. Or if all he is a 'plan' then you could just as well call him the laws of physics, could you not?
Emma: why do you think God has any plans or interests that we can never know?
Kalailan: i don't think he does. i think we just cannot know because of our nature, and because thats not the reason we are here for.
So he has no plan, or if he does have one we can't know of it. I agree that if he did have a plan we would probably not know it, but if you do believe a God exists wouldn't you be trying to find out what it is God wants you to do, what he thinks is right, and what wrong? How do you know that if a God exists, he didn't want you to look for just this?
If he has no plan, no reason for creating us, then what else is he?
Kalailan: i think we can know. some of it at least.
How can we know any of that? Do you believe God tinkered with the world or with our brains? Sent prophets and such like or made sure we knew what good and evil are?
Fist of all I think it is not necessary if we consider God as a person or something which – like light - infiltrates the space. But it must be something which have or had at least any influence of us (think of religion ). And I think we share - in general - common values about what is good or wrong with him. And God is standing beyond the time, he is “Lord of the Time” so to speak. Because he must be there before this universe came into existence and he will be there when this universe is no more.
So you believe, God made us so that we know what good and evil is? Did he do this through evolution (that is, is everything predetermined - every move of every molecule in space calculated so that 'by chance' we would know the difference between good and evil) or did he change our minds after humans where already there (for I know you believe in evolution)? In that case, why go to the bother of having evolution that creates humans (as you must believe he intended to 'create' humans, as you believe he went to the bother to let us know about good and evil)?
If he calculated everything so that humans would come about through evolution, then why not calculate that bit about good and evil too, why tinker with our minds later on?
What I'm getting at is this: you believe in evolution, so God did not create us, there for he is not responsible for our traits, unless you say that the very beginning of the universe is God, which set all things in motion.
assumed that there is a God
You have to assume a God exists, as there is nothing that can prove he exists, just our wish that something else exists. Why should this wish not be something to do with our human nature that happened to evolve? There are many people now happy to accept that there is no God... and again why this little spark, after that carefully thought out plan that is evolution, why not make it part of evolution?
Now the one thing I don't like is that the idea of freedom might be wrong, because I don't believe it is. You can have probabilities when it comes to human behaviour, but no certainties. We have free will, and until some brain researcher can prove me wrong on this - absolutely wrong - I will probably continue to believe it, as so far humans are still very unpredictable. But this is the problem: how can something like free will originate for something totally causal, and predetermined?
I believe that that is possible, but we just can't say why yet.
The reason I'm saying this is because so far it's the only argument where I can't say that God definitely could not have had any influence (but I think that is only because we can't say why that is, if we can (could) then there would be nothing where you could still claim God might really exist.)