2 trans. difficulties

[chiron2b]

[face=SPIonic][size=18=12] I am having trouble finding words to translate two sentences. All help would be appreciated. Thanks.[/face][/size]<br /><br />[face=SPIonic]kai\ proselqw\n h)rw/thse pou= a)\n i)/doi tou\j strathgou/j [/face]<br />[face=SPIonic][size=18=12]what does the "proselthwn" mean, how does it fit?<br />My guess is nom.,sing.,masc. participle. (luwn)[/face][/size]<br /><br />[face=SPIonic]h)\n ga\r a(/pac du/o h)\ triw=n h(merw=n o(do\n a)po/sxwmen... [/face]<br />[face=SPIonic][size=18=12]what does the "aposxwmen" mean, how does it fit?<br />My guess is Pl., 1st.p, Act. Subj., Pres. (luwmen)<br /><br />Thanks so much everyone.[/face][/size]

[annis]

[quote author=chiron2b link=board=2;threadid=215;start=0#1059 date=1057363119]<br />[face=SPIonic][size=18=12]what does the "proselthwn" mean, how does it fit?<br />My guess is nom.,sing.,masc. participle. (luwn)[/face][/size]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is an aorist participle from [face=SPIonic]pros-e/rxomai[/face].<br /><br />

<br />[face=SPIonic][size=18=12]what does the "aposxwmen" mean, how does it fit?<br />My guess is Pl., 1st.p, Act. Subj., Pres. (luwmen)<br />[/face][/size]<br />

<br /><br />This is an aorist subjunctive of [face=SPIonic]a)p-e)/xw[/face].

[Emma_85]

i'm curious, what are you translating? sounds like it's classical greek, nothing strange like herodot or anything. <br /><br /><br />Quote:<br />what does the "aposxwmen" mean, how does it fit?<br />My guess is Pl., 1st.p, Act. Subj., Pres. (luwmen)<br /> <br />i think it's 1st person pl. ,conjunctive, aorist act. of ap exo. it's certainly not pres. as that would be [face=SPIonic]a)pexomen[/face]<br />[face=SPIonic]e)xw[/face] is present tens root but in aorist it has a different root ([face=SPIonic]esxon[/face]). the augment epsilon disappears in conjuctive.<br />

[chiron2b]

I am just translating JWW First Greek Book, and I don't know what sources he has chosen. (Roughly Paragraph 614 I believe.) Still not confident enough to jump into the Anabasis, so I might stick with the Grammars and get a refresher with North & Hillard's Greek Prose Composition.<br /><br />Thanks for your help everyone.

[Emma_85]

the text book we were using at school was "Ars Graeca", but that was only for 2 years like, now we just translate.<br /><br />are you sure you want to start with Xenophon? i heard it's mostly very boring, like military stuff mostly. maybe you'd be better with something like Lysias (which is what i started with). it wasn't boring (though i personally didn't enjoy translating his speeches much, and failed the exam that term).<br />but that was just me like, everyone else much prefered Lysias to Plato.

[Emma_85]

but then agian... you'd have to order lysias from your book shop and it would probably cost quite a lot, too.