the form "epistasthai"
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the form "epistasthai"
I am wondering if this form can possibly be aorist infinitive middle of "ephiste^mi" in a first century or later text. The grammar books say that "histe^mi" does not have a second aorist middle form. Yet Perseus identifies one meaning of both "stasthai" and "epistasthai" as aorist infinitive middle of "ephiste^mi". Is this a logistics glitch, or a true fact? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: the form "epistasthai"
Hi Arkadi,arkadi wrote:I am wondering if this form can possibly be aorist infinitive middle of "ephiste^mi" in a first century or later text. The grammar books say that "histe^mi" does not have a second aorist middle form. Yet Perseus identifies one meaning of both "stasthai" and "epistasthai" as aorist infinitive middle of "ephiste^mi". Is this a logistics glitch, or a true fact? Thanks in advance for any help.
It could be present infinitive middle of ἐπίσταμαι.
Can you provide context, i.e., sentence it occurs in?
Cordially,
Paul
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Thanks, I know about this possibility, but am exploring another one (if there is any).
The phrase is in a Christian adaptation of Epictetus' _Encheiridion_. In the latter (c. 13) it says: "me^den boulou dokein epistasthai", but the adaptation has just: "me^den boulou epistasthai". I am wondering if a shift in (or, an addition of a complementary) meaning might have been intended here .
The phrase is in a Christian adaptation of Epictetus' _Encheiridion_. In the latter (c. 13) it says: "me^den boulou dokein epistasthai", but the adaptation has just: "me^den boulou epistasthai". I am wondering if a shift in (or, an addition of a complementary) meaning might have been intended here .
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Perseus seems to answer your question in the affirmative. See http://perseus.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/cgi- ... ex?entry=e)pi/stasqaiarkadi wrote:it is a present middle infinitive, surely--of "epistamai". My question is whether it migt also be aorist middle infinitive of "ephiste^mi".
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Sorry, but I misspoke. The Perseus link shows that both instances of ἐπίστασθαι are present infinitive middle/passive; neither is an aorist.Paul wrote:Perseus seems to answer your question in the affirmative. See http://perseus.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/cgi- ... ex?entry=e)pi/stasqaiarkadi wrote:it is a present middle infinitive, surely--of "epistamai". My question is whether it migt also be aorist middle infinitive of "ephiste^mi".
To get back to your original question, where in Perseus did you find "one meaning of both 'stasthai' and 'epistasthai' as aorist infinitive middle of 'ephiste^mi'."?
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try a different link...
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?entry=e)pistasqai
perseus says that
[size=200]ἐπίστασθαι[/size] is pres. inf. mid.
[size=200]ἐπιστάσθαι[/size] is aor. inf. mid.
(both of [size=150]ἐφίστημι[/size])
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?entry=e)pistasqai
perseus says that
[size=200]ἐπίστασθαι[/size] is pres. inf. mid.
[size=200]ἐπιστάσθαι[/size] is aor. inf. mid.
(both of [size=150]ἐφίστημι[/size])
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Hmm... if you say it's definitely epi- (because my dictionary says it's just ep-), but this thread is confusing me... the infinitive of histhmi is stnanai, because it's a root aorist and otherwise the sigma and alpha are missing.
I'd say that maybe Perseus is wrong, although I can't check out the links right now as their digital library is being updated.
I'd say that maybe Perseus is wrong, although I can't check out the links right now as their digital library is being updated.
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Here are Perseus links for "stasthai" and "epistasthai". Both show "aor. inf. mid." as one of the meanings.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/mo ... ormentry=1
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/mo ... ormentry=1
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/mo ... ormentry=1
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/mo ... ormentry=1