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Correction in Greek Grammar example

Postby PeterD » Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:16 pm

Sorry about that. I used the wrong example to ask my question about whether or not verbal forms like participles take a singular form when their subject ( i.e., referent) is neuter.

Example:[face=SPIonic]ta\ te/kna e)po/menon h)\ ta\ te/kna e)po/mena;[/face]

Also, with participles is the accent persistent (like nouns) or is it recessive (like verbs).

Almost forgot. To represent the letter ksi and chi using spionic what symbols do I use? I noticed that the same symbol c is used for both.

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Re: Correction in Greek Grammar example

Postby Paul » Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:20 pm

PeterD wrote:Almost forgot. To represent the letter ksi and chi using spionic what symbols do I use? I noticed that the same symbol c is used for both.


Hmm....seems like you found a typo in the "Representing Greek-Font Notes for New Users" post. Correct mappings are:

ksi = c
chi = x


As klewlis already noted in your original post, the rules about concord of subject and predicate generally apply to finite verbs. But I would be careful about assuming that the presence of a neuter plural subject always means the verb is in the singular. It is entirely possible for a neuter plural subject to take a verb in the plural.

Finally, what grammar are you learning from? I asked this question in your first post at http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-foru ... php?t=1173 but didn't get a reply.

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Postby benissimus » Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:49 pm

There is also a program called Character Map in your Accessories>System Tools that allows you to choose any font on your computer and view all of its characters.
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Postby PeterD » Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:54 pm

Hi Paul,

I am using Reading Greek by the JACT. Any suggestions, the online texts in textkit notwithstanding, on some good intro texts? Do you know anything about the Schaeffer and Crosby text?

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Postby Paul » Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:06 am

Hi Peter,

I own a few of the JACT texts but have yet to really use any of them.

In re Crosby and Schaeffer: I think that William Annis, this board's moderator, has used this book. Perhaps he can comment on it.

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Re: Correction in Greek Grammar example

Postby annis » Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:29 am

Paul wrote:Hmm....seems like you found a typo in the "Representing Greek-Font Notes for New Users" post. Correct mappings are:

ksi = c
chi = x


D'oh! Fixed.
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Postby annis » Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:36 am

Paul wrote:In re Crosby and Schaeffer: I think that William Annis, this board's moderator, has used this book. Perhaps he can comment on it.l


When in the world did I mention that? I hope this means your memory is excellent, not that mine is fading.

This was the textbook we used, lo, those many years ago when I took my First Semester Greek at UT-Austin. I noticed a few months ago that a new softcover edition had been released. It is in my opinion quite similar in spirit to Whites' "First Greek Book" here on Textkit: Attic Greek introduced by small grammatical points dribbled out lesson by lesson with a vocabulary and stylistic focus preparing one for Xenophon's Anabasis (Jeff, can we have a "pukey face" emoticon?)

Translation exercises each lesson, and often readings, some Xenophon, some not. The little mottos and phrases and proverbs that head each chapter are a nice touch, I think.
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Re: Correction in Greek Grammar example

Postby annis » Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:52 am

PeterD wrote:Sorry about that. I used the wrong example to ask my question about whether or not verbal forms like participles take a singular form when their subject ( i.e., referent) is neuter.


Participles, though partaking of many verbal features, are adjectives, so the normal agreement in gender, number and case will apply.

So: [face=SPIonic] ta\ te/kna e(po/mena[/face]

Also, with participles is the accent persistent (like nouns) or is it recessive (like verbs).


Again, treat it like an adjective: persistent accent. Often this will look a bit like a recessive accent is in action, but once you get to perfect and second aorist participles (accent final in nominative) the persistent accent is clearer.
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Postby Paul » Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:23 am

Hi William,

When in the world did I mention that? I hope this means your memory is excellent, not that mine is fading
.

Neither, I expect. I used Textkit's search feature to find term 'schaeffer'.
Got a hit on http://www.textkit.com/greek-latin-foru ... .php?t=463. :D

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