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Postby Saboi » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:51 pm

Hello

I'm from Yorkshire , currently living in Wales, I am self studying Punic, Latin and Greek , I am interesting in the mysteries of Dionysus, Lexicology Septuagint and Mycenaean Greek.

I am also an opponent of PIE linguistic reconstruction.

My interest in language began when moving to Wales and being exposed too the Welsh language.
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Re: Introduction

Postby Barry Hofstetter » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:18 pm

All excellent interests. Speaking of Welsh, here is a fun video:

https://laughingsquid.com/welsh-weather ... ng-an-eye/

Not looking to start a lengthy discussion, but I am interested in your reasons for denying PIE reconstructions?
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Re: Introduction

Postby Saboi » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:52 pm

Ancient languages were often written without spaces between words, so entire paragraphs are like one word, this i believe explains why they are so many long words in welsh.

What changed by view about Pie is studying the Punic Language, that was spoken around Ancient Spain and noticed how similar it is too Greek , Latin, Spanish and Welsh and PIE completely excludes the language, with that i exclude myself from PIE.
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Re: Introduction

Postby jeidsath » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:43 pm

Now that we are (in the past 5 years, because of our new technologies to get DNA out of ancient fossils) getting a much clearer picture of the genetics of the Indo-European expansion [overview here], there is increased recognition that the IE languages picked up an initial agricultural vocabulary from the EEF Anatolian farmers who were there first, along with their women. (That is to say, when the Yamnaya moved in on them, nearly all of the EEF male ancestry disappeared, while some female ancestry stuck around.)
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Re: Introduction

Postby Saboi » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:07 pm

I tend too focus on the more recent language, PIE classifies Spanish as an Italic language,
but the articles, el, la, los and las are not from Latin.

Spanish uses a single letter conjunction, Y as it is in Punic.

- And the King -
Y AT MLX ( Punic )
Y El Rey (Spanish)
καὶ τὸν βασιλέα ( Greek)
regem (Latin)
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Re: Introduction

Postby Barry Hofstetter » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:53 pm

Saboi wrote:I tend too focus on the more recent language, PIE classifies Spanish as an Italic language,
but the articles, el, la, los and las are not from Latin.

Spanish uses a single letter conjunction, Y as it is in Punic.

- And the King -
Y AT MLX ( Punic )
Y El Rey (Spanish)
καὶ τὸν βασιλέα ( Greek)
regem (Latin)


This is wrong. The articles derive from the Latin demonstrative pronoun/adjective ille. Y in Spanish derives from et in Latin.
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Re: Introduction

Postby Saboi » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:01 am

Image

This is the Punic conjunction for "And" and this alphabet became Υy that is used in Spanish
and Welsh for the same meaning, the French using the Latin, Et, thus how did Et become Y .

מלך (-λεχ) can become Rex, Rey and thus the popular Punic deity MLQRT is an assimilation
of both Mercúrio & Hércules.

The vocabulary between Punic & Spanish is also similar, for example the word AMORE
means Love, cognate with ὁ φίλος and in Punic, this is EBOL (הבעל) "love ones" and the
Spanish cognates are Amor, Amigo , marido , barragán , Varon .

φιλοσοφία in Punic is בעלהשיחה "Bolesikhe" (sikhe > siphe )

Ancient Spain was dominated by the Punic people, so the language
is more comparable then other.

música :שיח (Sikh) "Muse" , משיח (Musikh) موسيقى (musiqaa)
Salud : שלות "Welfare"
Luna : לבנ "Moon"
circulo: גלגל "Circle"
Capital : כפתר "off a Pillar or plant"
Medida מדד "measure"
Ciudad : חדש , κτίσις , κτίζω , Cadiz , City
Cueva : כף "Hollow of a Rock"
Burro : פרא "Wild Ass"
Vino : ιιν , ϝοινος
Familian : עמילאמ . Ϝὁμιλίαν
Spain, Hispania : חדש קני > שקני "New Phoenicia"
Murtae : מורה , μορέα "mulberry-tree"
Malaga : מלח , ἁλυκός , ἅμπελος "Vineyard"
Pillars of Hercules : Ἡράκλειαι στῆλαι , מלקרת צאלים
Catalonia : גת "Winepress" + ἅλων "plantation, vineyard'
Gaul : חבל , κυβερνῆταί , γαυλός
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Re: Introduction

Postby Saboi » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:20 pm

I have problems with the Biblical Hebrew Lexicon.

In Hebrew, כפול "KPUL" or כפלים "KPLIM" are the words for DOUBLE
and according too the Strong's lexicon, from the primitive root כפל "KPL"
when in actuality, it's a compound of בדל & שני.

-Double-
Two-Fold
Co-Pula
Du-Plico
Bi-Plex
Bi-Farius
Bi-Narus
Bi-Foris
Ge-Mellus
Di-Ploun
Du-Plus
De-Partire
Di-Vider

According too PIE, Divider from Duo (two) + Witero
and the prefix cognates with בדל (BDL) viðr.

Strong's Lexicon of Hebrew treats compounds as primitive roots
or claim "from an unused root", hence unreliable.

נבא (βοή)
נגש (ἐγγίσας)
נדד (τοεῖτο)
נפש (ψύχω )
מלצ (γλυκέα )
מלח (ἁλυκή )
מתת (δοτός )
מלל (λαλέω)
מלכ (ἄνα, ἀρχός)

I found all these using the Greek word study tool, LSJ Slater Autenrieth
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/mor ... a&la=greek
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