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Postby Lex » Mon Dec 08, 2003 3:45 pm

First off, my apologies to those people to whom I got a little out of hand earlier in another thread. I get a little excitable sometimes, especially regarding politics. I'm also used to more... aggressive?... forums, and am not completely used to the laidback style here.

Anywho.....

I was in a little hole-in-the-wall used bookstore this weekend, and was perusing the language section, when what to my wandering eyes did appear but.... a 1912 edition of Bennett's Latin Grammar, in decent shape for being ninety-some years old, priced at only $3! Woot!

I couldn't believe it. Am I just incredibly lucky, or are these books usually this cheap? Where do you guys and gals usually find your language books, especially the ones old enough to be scanned and shared here at Textkit?
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Postby klewlis » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:20 pm

Nice deal!

I haven't found any great bookstores here in Edmonton yet, and I've lived here for over a year now!

Before I moved here my favourite one was in Regina, and it always seemed to have lots of good stuff. There's also one in Calgary called "off the wall books", where I found an unmarked greek-english version of Aland's Synopsis for only $15 ($80+ new). hmmm.... I should go there when I'm in calgary next week.... ;)
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Postby Episcopus » Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:30 pm

There is jack here. But the library does have Hugo Swedish in Three Months, which could prove useful.
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Postby Clemens » Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:22 pm

I found some really nice out of print books with (what's the right preposition? :?) ebay...:)
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Postby Episcopus » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:04 pm

Hahaha you are a german and you ask me what the right preposition is!

With is acceptable, so is on.
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Postby benissimus » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:06 pm

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Postby Jeff Tirey » Mon Dec 08, 2003 6:20 pm

Hey Lex,

3 bucks is a great deal! The Bennett books typically hold up very well over time - good bindings.

I look everywhere, but find my best most books online. This is also because I don't live near a major city with many used bookstores. Wide selections are available at alibris.com and abebooks.com - but the best deals are on eBay. There are many books which are routinely made available, so much so that you can even be a bit picky and wait for a copy in good shape.

Goodwin's Greek Grammar, A&G's New Latin Grammar, books by D'Ooge, Collar and Daniell and White's First Greek Book are up for auction very often.

If anyone's out looking - please look for me too! I'm still trying to find North and Hillard and Sidgwick keys. I would actually pay pretty good for them at this point because I'm sure they are quite dear.

I now have:
1883 Sidgwick 3rd Edition of First Greek Writer (an intro to Greek Prose Composition)
1880 Sidgwick Introduction to Greek Prose Composition

Both books are really amazing and it's a shame that I don't have them online already. Sidgwick explains things so clearly. But I keep hoping to find keys becuase both books are of far less value to independent learners without keys.

Congratulations on the good find at a good price!
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Postby Clemens » Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:37 pm

Episcopus wrote:Hahaha you are a german and you ask me what the right preposition is!

I hate English prepositions...but thanks for your answer...:)

www.zvab.com could be interesting. The "Zentrale Verzeichnis antiquarischer Bücher" is an online catalogue which lists more than 8 million out of print books, postcards, graphics and more...
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Postby Emma_85 » Mon Dec 08, 2003 8:50 pm

3 dollars sounds very cheap!
My school library has many good and very old books (most so old we aren't allowed to touch them :? ). The old books are all rubbish, though, I only use the new versions, cause old German fonts are uh... confusing.
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Postby Clemens » Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:49 pm

Hey Emma, Fraktur isn't not that difficult to read...:mrgreen:
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Postby Keesa » Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:48 pm

UNfortunately, there aren't any used bookstores near me. There are a few chain stores in our nearest city (30 miles-yuck), but they sell new books only, and their language sections runs more to Spanish. They throw in a little French, German and Italian, and call it a rounded selection. (This frustrates me. :wink: )

Sometimes I can find used books at the local flea market for $0.10-$1.00, but usually not in very good condition. I haven't found any Greek or Latin books there, either.

I dream of one day finding a beautiful used bookstore somewhere...and having the money for the books when I do! :D
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Re: Bookstores

Postby annis » Tue Dec 09, 2003 12:21 am

Lex wrote:I couldn't believe it. Am I just incredibly lucky, or are these books usually this cheap?


I have praised Madison's population of used bookstores before. Here the cost depends on the dealer. Most are knowledgeable, so usually give fair prices for books -- fair to them and to me. But $3 isn't too unusual for popular school editions. Critical texts (OCT and Teubneriana) are usually in the $15-$25 range.

But sometimes I find amazing things, like a Teubner for $10. I got a 1000+ page Histories by Polybius printed in 1844 in, I assume, Berlin (is the Latin of that "Berolini"?) for a mere $25.

I've sent a few of the choicer finds to Jeff for scanning. I'm especially likely now to pick up an edition that is about to fall apart, and should thus be scanned soon anyway. In that case, I'm more interested in the information than the book itself. Obviously the book has to be interesting and reasonably free of markings, which is surprisingly difficult find. Even the Polybius has a lot of foxing in parts (age spots for paper).
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Postby Kasper » Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:47 am

I work in Melbourne and there are quite a few good secondhand bookstores around. Most of them in cellars of big department stores. They have a lot of great books and oftern very affordable, which is why I do my utmost to shun them, because all those great books at cheap prices is too tempting for me. But last week in bought Horace's complete works in latin for $12 australian dollars, which is the most I've ever spend on a secondhand book. I'm still looking for books in ancient greek though, they seem to be rare, more so than latin books. I'm currently reading 'Critica de cognitionis de humanae valorem disquisitio' by pater Geny from 1914, the latin is quite easy and it's a very interesting read, or atleast I think so.
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Postby klewlis » Tue Dec 09, 2003 6:15 am

Inspired by this thread, today I looked up several used bookstores in the city which I had not yet visited, in hopes of finding one that carries our favourite types of books. I was sadly disappointed. They carried mostly paperback fiction (which seems to be the trend around here... apparently Edmonton is a city of anti-intellectuals...).

the search continues....
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Postby Episcopus » Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:03 pm

I have a very weird french grammar from ebay, for £3.00 - A French Grammar by C.J. Delille. 1851 It's quite strangely set out and half of it is in french, the Syntax parts. I don't quite understand what one must do in the exercises. Great read though.
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Postby Nexus Ferocis » Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:59 pm

My grandfather gave me a book called "A Greek Primer," and it dates back to 1903. Everything, especially the cover, is worn, but nothing is missing and the binding is still good.

He used it in high school in the late 30's or early 40’s and it even has his old notes within, and because of the age, the paper is so delicate it will almost fall apart just for touching it. I had to laugh though; on the back of one of his homework assignments he drew little war scenes with boats and airplanes, just as my father and I remember doing. And the teacher circled it and put “What?” next to it. I guess times never change.

But anyway, this book will come in handy when I learn Greek.
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Postby Episcopus » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:35 pm

Nexus Ferocis wrote:I had to laugh though; on the back of one of his homework assignments he drew little war scenes with boats and airplanes, just as my father and I remember doing. And the teacher circled it and put “What?” next to it. I guess times never change.



Indeed :lol:
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Postby Emma_85 » Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:56 pm

My English books ... ah well... normally I sell my books after we've finished with them in class (and I know my sister won't need them later), but my English books are just in a terrible condition, full of dragons and other strange fantasy creatures devouring my English teacher and so on... I also threw it around class a lot and spilt coke on it or sat on it, when the grass in the cathedral garden was wet and I didn't want to sit on my jacket.
My Latin book is quite clean in comparison, but still I don't think anyone would buy it - again a few monster and loose pages too many.
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Postby klewlis » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:47 pm

In 2000 years I'm sure people will analyze school textbooks and their added illustrations for clues as to what life was like for students in the 21st century. should be amusing.
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Postby Episcopus » Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:59 pm

Ah...it would be great to have a Latin teacher who could add a bewildered "Qué?!" to my crazy diagrams of pigeons and rabbit carrus accidents in roman times! Date iter! Moribundi sumus :(
That's just a 'dream' however, although I would not go as far as that. It's great having no one to discipline me and tell me to underline my work! Although I do all my exercises, underline everything, keep all tidy, review vocabulary when he tells me to do so, to respect Him.
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Postby Kalailan » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:37 pm

i accidently posted the last message three times and i can't find the "delete" button...

(a minute later, Kalailan edits this post once more)

now i get it. i can only delete the last message, and i tried to delete the first. then i deleted the last, and was left with one too many messages which i am using now to write in.
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Postby Kalailan » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:37 pm

i just found "the Clarendon Latin course" in some old pile of books somewhere in the place (dunno if "Moshav" will mean anything to you...) i am living in.
nice little book, with lots of exercises. it's just what i needed, cause the last one i was using didn't have any at all...
i love books like that. its dates 1963, is a hardcover, and is very compact, though i'm not sure whether the second part of it is also there.

p.s.
if the first book was first published in 1931, does it mean it's free for public use now?
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Postby Emma_85 » Fri Dec 12, 2003 4:58 pm

No you need a book from 1913 for it to be free for everyone like.
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Postby Jeff Tirey » Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:08 pm

Kalailan wrote:p.s.
if the first book was first published in 1931, does it mean it's free for public use now?


Hi Kalailan, to be in the public domain a work must be have a copyright before January 1, 1923.

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Postby Emma_85 » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:02 pm

Ah, I always thought it was 100 years...
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Postby Jeff Tirey » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:08 pm

Emma_85 wrote:Ah, I always thought it was 100 years...


I wish it was that simple. The problem is that the rules keeping changing. Public domain would have extended much farther if it not for the Sony Bono Act which extended the life of copyrights. Public domain for 1924 copyrights will be in 2019 under the current U.S. laws.

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Postby Emma_85 » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:48 pm

Oh, I forgot that copyrights are different in other countries. Maybe it's 100 years here and that's why I was so confused... :(
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Postby Episcopus » Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:04 pm

ooo US laws we all know how fair they are :lol:
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Postby benissimus » Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:08 pm

What?! They are perfectly fair 8)
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Postby tdominus » Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:45 am

US copyright keeps being extended due to the lobbying of powerful commercial interests. Copyright was intended to grant a temporary monopoly on something for the benefit of art and science, but now is seen a means of guaranteeing income from a work.

So instead of "what will benefit the public the most?" , the reasoning is "what will maximise profits?"

Textkit is a great example of the benefits of things being put out of copyright.
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Postby Keesa » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:08 pm

Ummm....actually, I happen to like the copyright extensions. :D Then again, I am a writer. (You think that could have something to do with it?) :wink:
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Postby Lex » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:39 pm

benissimus wrote:What?! They are perfectly fair 8)


You mean they screw everybody equally? :wink:

(No, I won't start another debate on this subject, so you can all relax.)
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Postby Jeff Tirey » Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:41 pm

tdominus wrote:US copyright keeps being extended due to the lobbying of powerful commercial interests.


That's sadly too true. The Sony Bono Act is called by some the Mickey Mouse Act because Disney lobbied a great deal to get extensions on their soon to expire copyrights.
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Postby Lisa » Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:15 pm

jeff wrote:
That's sadly too true. The Sony Bono Act is called by some the Mickey Mouse Act because Disney lobbied a great deal to get extensions on their soon to expire copyrights.


Yes, Jeff is correct. I believe that Steamboat Willie, with proto-Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain. (There was a great Simpsons episode which featured a parody of Steamboat Willie and taught Bart the lesson of the law of unintended consequences).

US and EU copyright differ in some areas, such as whether the author is alive or deceased.

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Postby Tyr » Tue Dec 16, 2003 5:49 pm

Does anybody know any shops in Glasgow where I could get these books?
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Postby Keesa » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:15 pm

No, but if I get to Glasgow before you find out, I'll hunt them down for you. :wink: I've always wanted to visit Scotland...
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