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Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

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Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby hlawson38 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:40 pm

Context: Folly declares that Fools are sincere speakers, while Wise Men "speak with forked tongue", as the old western movie cliche goes, and adds:

Porro in tanta felicitate, tamen hoc nomine principes mihi videntur infelicissimi, quod deest, a quo verum audiant, et assentatores pro amicis habere coguntur.


Moreover [Porro], in the midst of their [seeming] great fortune, princes to me seem unfortunate on this account [hoc nomine], that there is nobody from whom they may hear the truth, and they have only yes-men for friends.


1. I'm a little unsure about "Porro", a word Erasmus frequently uses.

2. I'm reading "hoc nomine" as a metaphor, the original being the headings in a ledger.
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby Hylander » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:38 am

porro -- in this context, "furthermore", "moreover".

Not this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignazio_Porro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porro_prism

I'm reading "hoc nomine" as a metaphor, the original being the headings in a ledger.


Seems right. Maybe "under this head" or even "in this column".
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby mwh » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:17 am

Nor this: https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... GkueasxRIk

Nor this: http://docenti.unicatt.it/eng/antonietta_porro/

“they are compelled to have …”

“yes-men” is perfect! infelicissimus Trump.
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby Hylander » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Pro can mean something like "instead of." I wonder whether this should be translated "they are forced to have 'yes-men' instead of friends."

Agreed that "yes-men" is perfect here.
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby hlawson38 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:57 am

Many thanks to Hylander and mwh. Reading this work is giving rise to a thousand questions about what Erasmus was up to.
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby RandyGibbons » Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:58 pm

hlawson38,

Where are you getting the chapter numbers (e.g., chapter 36)? I'm looking at the two editions I have just bought, the Adams you mentioned and the Amsterdam/Elsevier/Brill. I haven't started reading yet, but in any case I don't see chapter divisions in either (the Brill has line numbers).

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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby hlawson38 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:19 am

RandyGibbons wrote:hlawson38,

Where are you getting the chapter numbers (e.g., chapter 36)? I'm looking at the two editions I have just bought, the Adams you mentioned and the Amsterdam/Elsevier/Brill. I haven't started reading yet, but in any case I don't see chapter divisions in either (the Brill has line numbers).

Randy



Sorry about the delay in answering, Randy. The chapter numbers in the printed version I have agree with the numbers in latinlibrary. I think the printed edition I have may be a print-on-demand version of the latinlibrary text.
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Re: Praise of Folly, query, chapter 36

Postby RandyGibbons » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:27 pm

I see. Thanks.
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