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Cicero - elided in Orations or not?

Postby Estoniacus Inoriginale » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:30 pm

I've been arguing with an Italian, in Latin. He thought my recitation of Latin that used synaloepha and elisions, was unclassical... Did Cicero nasalize or use synaloepha and how regularly?
OINOM ANNOM STVDIAVEI DINGVAM LATINAM OREIGENEBOS VARIONS
HANCE SICNATOVRAM VIDETE ET REDITE

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Re: Cicero - elided in Orations or not?

Postby benissimus » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:10 am

Nasalization seems to be a part of regular speech, whether poetry or prose. Elision was definitely a part of regular and probably formal speech as well, though I don't think we know definitively when they would have used elision or hiatus.
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Re: Cicero - elided in Orations or not?

Postby Estoniacus Inoriginale » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:02 am

Benissimum jam gratias ago, quod certius facit, corroborans.

Thanks, I thought so as well. It has turned out for me that both hiatus, elision and to an extent partial pronunciation of the obscured syllable was pronounced, as it has started to spontaneously happen in my phonetic practice, hiatus could have been a ittle weird if there was no point of emphasis in conjunction with it. There's nothing more certain beyond this, so we remain to possess the same amount of detail.
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HANCE SICNATOVRAM VIDETE ET REDITE

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Re: Cicero - elided in Orations or not?

Postby Lucus Eques » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:16 am

I agree fully with Benissimus — your Italian friend may dispute primarily the nasalized final -m, which is an unfamiliar concept to most.
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