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Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:21 pm

1) cum tandem vis flammarum superata esset, consul iussit populum convenire deinde rogavit omnes num scirent qui tantum scelus contra urbem suscepissent.

2)magnum praemium promisit:liberto argentum, servo libertatem. hoc praemio inductus, servus quidam - Manus ei nomen erat - dixit dominum suum cum quinque comitibus incendia fecisse. tum consul, fide servi laudata, milites misit qui eos quam celerrime quaererent.

Could somebody help me with this translation:

For number 1 i got:
1) At last, while they were overcome by the force of the flames, they led the idea ........?

2) Having been led in by great reward.........
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:29 pm

i also have (deinde rogavit): Then he asked them all whether they know who
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:33 pm

and (liberto argentum): Led on by this reward
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:44 pm

please......................... some of these constructions are ridiculous! sorry for going nuts...... but still
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:04 pm

Salve Awlright

My advice is to download Whitaker's Words program from this site http://users.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm and to look up every word. You'll be interested in it. It's very useful.
Ecce consilium meum tibi. Ex hoc sito http://users.erols.com/whitaker/words.htm, programma Words nomine apud Whitaker deprome, et omne verbum in eo inquire. Id tibi curae erit. Perutile est.
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:08 pm

Could you guys check it when i'm done...
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:12 pm

Libenter.
Certainly.
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby Nooj » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:12 pm

cum tandem vis flammarum superata esset, consul iussit populum convenire deinde rogavit omnes num scirent qui tantum scelus contra urbem suscepissent.

1)cum + perfect or pluperfect subjunctive makes a temporal clause. It is best to translate it as 'when'.
2)superata esset is a pluperfect passive. So not 'were overcome', but 'had been overcome'.
3)superata esset tells you two things. First, superata (as opposed to superatus) means that we're looking for a feminine word. Secondly, esset (as opposesd to essent) tells you that this word is singular, not plural.
4)vis, -is is a feminine noun.

So: When at last the fierceness of the flames had been overcome...

5) iussit is singular third person, coming from iubeo,-ere meaning I order or command.

So: the consul told the populace to gather around.

6) rogavit...num...scirent introduces an indirect question.

So: Then he asked everyone whether they knew who had taken up such a monstrous crime against the city.
Dolor poetas creat.
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:16 pm

but where does multa come in...... and the forum.....
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:18 pm

oh sorry, wrong sentence!
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:28 pm

Cld sumbody pls check this......, this is what i did before..... i'll try to finish the bit i posted initially, thanks for the earlier response!

In this year, the Romans received their most serious defeat
hoc anno res dirissima Romae accidit.
For many flames were seen suddenly around the forum
multa incendia enim circum forum subito visa sunt.
At the same time, they had attempted to burn the seven inns. They had
eodem tempore septem tabernae ardere inceperunt. tanti
caught fire to such an extent that the Temple of Vesta was scarcely defended by
erant ignes ut templum Vestae vix defenderetur auxilio
with the slaves’ help. who were freed aftewards
servorum, qui postea liberati sunt.
They all used to think the same by knowing
omnes putabant id ab hominibus scelestis
because they were put before many different fires and had been overwhelmed by flames.
factum esse, quod incendia multis et diversis locis simul orta erant (24).
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby Nooj » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:30 pm

awlright wrote:2)magnum praemium promisit:liberto argentum, servo libertatem. hoc praemio inductus, servus quidam - Manus ei nomen erat - dixit dominum suum cum quinque comitibus incendia fecisse. tum consul, fide servi laudata, milites misit qui eos quam celerrime quaererent.


He promised a great reward: silver to the freedman, freedom to the slave. Enticed by this reward, a certain slave - the name to him was Manus - said that his master had set the fires with five friends. Then the consul, after praising the loyalty of the slave, sent soldiers who searched for them (the five friends I think) as quickly as possible.
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:36 pm

awlright wrote:In this year, the Romans received their most serious defeat
hoc anno res dirissima Romae accidit.

What do you think this says after using the Words program, awlright?
Programmate Words consulto, awlright, quomodo hanc sententiam vertis?
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:41 pm

I'm not sure: possibly that i translated accidit wrong, but i thought it was perfect active, dirrissima is superlative, romae is plural nom acc, or sing dat abl, as it is first declension, but other than that, i'm not too sure
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:43 pm

Thank you nooj! ur the best! btw, who are the 5 friends.....
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:45 pm

what should i have realised adrianus
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:53 pm

Ithought my translation for the hoc anno was okay....
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:02 pm

this year a serious thing happened to the Romans?
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:30 pm

"This year, a very serious thing happened to Rome", indeed
Romae = "to Rome" (dative case singular numberdativo casu numeri singulis) vel "of Rome" (genitive singular genetivo singulis) vel "Romes" (plural nominative pluralis nominativo)

Did you get Words?
Repperistine Words?
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:35 pm

yeah i got the words....

anything wrong with the second sentence.......
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:46 pm

coniurati a militibus capti ad forum adducti sunt; ubi perfidiam suam confessi sunt, poenam mortis dederunt (21). servo fideli, qui urbem servaverat, libertas data est

He plotted by the soldiers, the forum was captured; when they had confessed to their treachery, they had given the punishment of death. The loyal slave, who had guarded the city, was given freedom.
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:49 pm

In Words you won't find "Romans" for "to Rome" or "flames" for "fires".
In Words programmate quidem, non invenis "Romani" pro "Romae" vel "flammae" pro "incendia"
inceperunt = they [shops] started
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:54 pm

is the above correct (fingers crossed....) :D
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:57 pm

but how does inceperunt link in.....

multa incendia enim circum forum subito visa sunt.
At the same time, they started to burn the seven shops.
.... is that it?
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:59 pm

In Words you will find conjurati= conspirators. In Words "coniurati" invenies.
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:04 pm

seven shops = septem tabernae (nominative not accusative, and plural, nominativo casu nec accusativo)
ardere = to be on fire/to burn
inceperunt = they started, id est "the seven shops (nominative) started"
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:05 pm

so is it like, he with (by) the soldiers, brought in the conspirators
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:06 pm

For the other one:

At the same time, the seven shops had set alight - but where does ardere come in.....
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:07 pm

In Words you will find poenam dare = "to pay the penalty"
Are you sure you are using the Words program, awlright?
Uterisne quidem programmate, awlright?
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:09 pm

coniurati is nominative, not accusative.
"coniurati"nominativo (non accusativo) casu est

servo fideli. What case is it and is it singular or plural? Quo casu est et cuius numeri?
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:14 pm

So could i say: they paid the penalty with death as mortis is ablative......
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:15 pm

What does Words say for "mortis"? Quid de "mortis" dicit Words?
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:16 pm

in the case of servo fidelis, i'm slightly confused:
from
servus, serve, servum, servi,servo,servo

i'm sure it must be singular right, in the plural form i wasn't aware that it ended with o
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:18 pm

ohhhhhhh, cheers dude, i think i get it, so it does mean death, corpse, annihilation, but its accusative or genitive, so it could be "penalty of death...."
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:19 pm

servo fideli = is dative here and singular as you say/hic dativo singulis numeri (ut dicis) est, "to the faithful servant"

penalty of death = right on
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:20 pm

cool adrianus, you rock! How do i give you rep.....
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:22 pm

cud i say:
freedom was given to the faithful servant, who had saved the city.
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Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:24 pm

also with the first sentence, how do i phrase it?
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Postby adrianus » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:25 pm

awlright wrote:For the other one:

At the same time, the seven shops had set alight - but where does ardere come in.....

"Seven shops started to burn (adere)"
inceperunt = "started to burn" Past Perfect of incipio. "Inceperunt" praeteritum perfectum tempus "incipio" verbi est.
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Re: Help me with this latin torture pleaaaase!

Postby awlright » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:27 pm

sorry i meant the:
coniurati a militibus capti ad forum adducti sunt; ubi perfidiam suam confessi sunt,
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