adrianus wrote:It is doubtful, also, that the site's author himself has memorized and absorbed the lessons and vocabularies published by others that he recites.
adrianus wrote:but you will find it near impossible to locate any particular word sought.
Lucus Eques wrote:Here, by the way, is that link to the word doc of LLPSI's vocabulary:
Lucus Eques wrote:community that is one of the most spread out and diasporic that I can think of
adrianus wrote:I'm not sure that the advice to learn everything that the site's author has pronounced in audio recordings so you won't need a dictionary is helpful.
adrianus wrote:Check it out, Tell us what you think.
Orivej wrote:By the way, does it contain the Lewis & Short dictionary in its data files? If true, it is of a great use not only as a library.
Amadeus wrote:I'm sorry, Adriane, but I have to say that I find your last comment to be very unhelpful. Why is it necessary to put down the work of others, whose only interest is to help spread the practice of the Latin language?
adrianus wrote:You ask a question, Amadeus. Well, I find it not pleasant for someone to preach how to achieve fluency in Latin who is far from fluent. Would you do that, Amadeus?
And if someone's only interest were to be helpful, it is strange to have "honesty boxes" all over a site, implying that it is somehow dishonest not to be sending money to the site's owner! No problem if I want to sell you something, but to say that everything is free but it is "honest" to send money! Would you do that, Amadeus?
And if someone professes to teach but says "Vir et consilii magni et virtutis non sum" while promoting unsavoury images here ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7873 ), that surely also invites criticism.
And is this not an honest and open forum where I may have a critical opinion of others' work, or is it good manners to not criticize another here?
Well, I find it not pleasant for someone to preach how to achieve fluency in Latin who is far from fluent.
adrianus wrote:Ullum usque satis comprehensivum quod computatro interrogari sit non inveni, separatim illum thesaurum de Lewis et Short apud hunc situm: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lang=Latin.
adrianus wrote:Orivej wrote:By the way, does it contain the Lewis & Short dictionary in its data files? If true, it is of a great use not only as a library.
Certainly. In Perseus, when you have come up with an initial result of a search in Latin, click on the words "Lewis & Short", if they appear against a result (as they most often will).
Continet certé. Cum in Perseo inquisitionem latinè incipies, "Lewis & Short" in verbis quae adversùm eventum normaliter apparebunt deprimito.
Orivej wrote:No, I meant in downloadable data files (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/opensource).
It seems there are at least Elementary Lewis and Middle Liddel, but I have not yet downloaded them.
Amadeus wrote:I would like to see you put your gifts more into helping those of us who still struggle with our ancient languages, than into merely making the part of the opposition.
Amadeus wrote:your comments, which have taken a more obscure tone as of late
Metrodorus wrote:When there is a fire, does one question too closely the quality of the water in the firefighter's bucket?
metrodorus wrote:When there is a fire, does one question too closely the quality of the water in the firefighter's bucket?
The trouble with peddling fluency to others in a language ("Learn Latin in 10 Minutes" or "Learn Latin in Two Years") or even to oneself ("I will be fluent in two years") is how opaque to assessment are the claims. The reason for the claimed personal successes that Metrodorus tells us about is not because he's listening to recordings but because he's the one making the recordings and putting the effort into reading Adler's book. There's a big market for buying these sorts of teach-yourself products but seldom do people stick with them and achieve fluency. They're faddish things,—just like the latest health foods. And they all have an escape clause but in tiny print: "will help weight loss only as part of a calory-controlled diet", which translates to "will help fluency gain only as part of lots of other hard work". As resources, such things are useful, but how ridiculous does the claim for fluency achievement sound coming from someone with shaky Latin. It's bad enough listening to such claims from companies who hire bona fide content experts.
Orivej wrote:Reading your discussion (especially the reference to Reginald Foster), I got a bit confused.
Is there (or maybe was in the near past) really not a single child (i.e. lesser than 5 years) on our planet who speaks latin somehow?
I thought the opposite because there are children with native esperanto knowledge.
If true, who was the last such a child?
Lucus wrote:This statement also has an escape clause: "but seldom do people stick with them and achieve fluency." And if you do stick with it? Fluency is gained only through the effortless exercise of four faculties:
Lucus wrote:How then would you set alight Latinity, if not by Evan's method?