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Cardo as Pivot and MILIA as plural noun

Postby blutoonwithcarrotandnail » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:02 pm

My book says that Cardinal Numbers are pivots in the languge
because the other numbers are derived from them and pivot
around them.

Is this simply an artistic statement that when you use 'QUARTUS'
it came from 'QUATTUOR' or is there some grammar meaning
to this like using different cases and tenses?

Also, MILIA or the word 'Thousand' is an adjective. This makes
perfect sense

Example: A thousand men

But why is it a noun in the plural?

Is this an example of it as a noun in the plural: 'There are thousand
of men.' You can say:

The thousands

which means it is a noun whereas you could not say

The A thousand



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Postby calvinist » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:27 pm

We saw thousands of cars. -- 'thousands' is functioning as the direct object of 'saw' and is a noun.
We saw a thousand cars. -- 'cars' is the direct object of 'saw' and 'thousand' is functioning as an adjective modifying 'cars'.
Latin 'mille' and 'milia' work the exact same way.
blutoonwithcarrotandnail wrote:My book says that Cardinal Numbers are pivots in the languge
because the other numbers are derived from them and pivot
around them.

Is this simply an artistic statement that when you use 'QUARTUS'
it came from 'QUATTUOR' or is there some grammar meaning
to this like using different cases and tenses?

Don't worry about it too much, just understand the difference between cardinal and ordinal numbers and know how to recognize them.
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Postby blutoonwithcarrotandnail » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:46 pm

calvinist wrote:We saw thousands of cars. -- 'thousands' is functioning as the direct object of 'saw' and is a noun.
We saw a thousand cars. -- 'cars' is the direct object of 'saw' and 'thousand' is functioning as an adjective modifying 'cars'.


Just out of curiosity is the sentence, "We saw the thousand cars" is
'thousand' a noun or an adj or both or is it ungrammatical to say
it as a noun?"

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Postby calvinist » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:01 am

"We saw the thousand cars" thousand is an adjective, compare:

We saw the thousand cars.
We saw the big cars.
We saw the new cars.
We saw the red cars.
We saw the thousand big new red cars.

All are functioning as adjectives modifying 'cars'.
However, notice the following:

We saw the thousands cars. -- grammatically incorrect
We saw the thousand of cars. -- grammatically incorrect

words like 'thousands' 'hundreds', 'millions' function as nouns, but a/the/one thousand or hundred or million function as adjectives.
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Postby blutoonwithcarrotandnail » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:27 am

calvinist wrote:
words like 'thousands' 'hundreds', 'millions' function as nouns, but a/the/one thousand or hundred or million function as adjectives.


Can i take this as a golden rule that if you put 'a/the/one' in front of
thousand it functions as an adjective?

What if you put a/the/one in front of the plural thousands?

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