Gonzalo wrote:Here itÎ„s my virtual one.
a) The vowel comes before another vowel or before â€˜hâ€™: deus, nihil.
There are some exceptions, like the 5th declension, but this is a general tendency.
b) The vowel comes before nt, or nd: amandus, innocentia.
There are also exceptions, â€˜nÅ«ntioâ€™, â€˜nÅ«ndinaeâ€™, â€˜nÅ«ndinumâ€™, â€˜nÅ«ntiusâ€™, but these are very rare and again, this is a general rule.
c) The vowel comes before m, r, or t at the end of a word.
a) Every diphthong is long: ae, au, oe, ei, eu, ui.
b) Every vowel derived from a diphthong is long: conclÅ«dÅ, from claudÅ.
c) Every vowel formed by contraction from [other vowels] or [vowel + h + vowel] is long: cÅgÅ, from co + ago; nÄ«l, from nihil.
d) A vowel which comes before ns or nf is long: cÅnstÄns, Ä«nferÅ.
e) A vowel before nct or nx is usually long: sÄnctus.
f) A vowel before x or ps, the vowel is (most of the time) long: neglÄ“xÄ«, scrÄ«psÄ«, unless it's a noun with no long vowel in its oblique forms (e.g. pÄx, pÄcis; nox, noctis).
g) Vowels before sc are long in almost all cases: nÅsco.
h) A word ending in Ä«, Å, or Å«, the last vowel is long.
i) If a word ends in the consonant â€˜sâ€™, the last vowel is long: vÄ“ritÄs.
Exceptions to this rule I've found are the nominative singular deus, and sometimes with verbs (â€˜laudÄvistis, laudÄbitisâ€™).
Gonzalo wrote:... I would like to know what is better to read at first...
... which is the best theoretical introduction to Virgil and specially to Latin poetry (meters, scansion, etc.
MiguelM wrote:Speaking of Reading Vergil, does anyone happen to know an edition using the appex or macron for long vowel marking? I'm not worried about syllable length for meter, just naturally long vowels marked. I've looked around for quite a while and can't seem to find anything.
PS: Gonzalo, Google is hating your library and isn't letting me search it. From what I've seen in regular browsing, though, wow! Congrats!
thesaurus wrote:Not to change the subject, but does anyone have a decent way of preparing themselves to read the Comedia?
It's funny that I much prefer reading the Latin works of Dante, Boccaccio, and Petrarca, because I have a much easier time doing so.
thesaurus wrote:May I ask where you are gleaning all this advice from Pound? I can't say I'm a fan of avant-garde poetry, but I love reading literary criticism from such minds.
cantator wrote:thesaurus wrote:May I ask where you are gleaning all this advice from Pound? I can't say I'm a fan of avant-garde poetry, but I love reading literary criticism from such minds.
I wouldn't call Pound an avant-garde poet, he's been dead too long.
His literary canon is well-represented in these books:
Literary Essays - Includes the notable essays on Elizabethan translations from Latin and on early translators of Homer (French, Latin, and English).
ABC Of Reading - The first book I ever read by EP. I felt so ignorant after reading it that I embarked on a desultory course of self-study that's involved me for the past 35+ years. Yes, I'm a slow learner.
Guide To Kulchur - Not so well-organized as the volume of literary essays but still good.
You might also like to check out Basil Bunting's critical writings:
Basil Bunting On Poetry
Of course Longinus and Horace are must-reads if you're looking for literary criticism from the ancient world.
And if you'd like a bit of prescience from EP on another topic entirely :
ABC Of Economics - A rather disjointed look at money, but quite valuable as a spur to consideration. Alas, it's also almost impossible to find now.
As an aside: I started studying Latin seriously as the result of a double impact. At about the same time I read Pound I also heard Carl Orff's Carmina Burana. I just had to find what all that was about.
"Ego sum abbas Cucaniensis..." indeed.
Gonzalo wrote:Virgil, Dante, and now here we go with Ezra Pound.
annis wrote:I have not read Pound's poetry much, but his literary criticism is sometimes baffling. The things he says about Chinese make Sinologists cry, and some of his comments about Greek authors make me wonder how well he knew Greek.
Gonzalo wrote:Virgil, Dante, and now here we go with Ezra Pound. Some links which I have to share with you:
MiguelM wrote:Oh, do forgive my lack of specification: I meant of the Eclogues. I have the pleasure of owning the Oerberg edition of the First and Fourth Cantos, and it's been of immense value -- not only for the traditional Oerberg notation, but mostly because of the macrons. I did not know he had the same for the Eclogues!
Lucus Eques wrote:And yes, on Dante, an annotated Commedia with Italian notes is what you want — full immersion, baby, and just as good as what the modern Florentines get. I fear I have no such book in mind, but doubtless a trip to an Italian bookstore online could yield the desired result.
thesaurus wrote:I came across this while hoping to figure out a little Dante via Italiano: http://books.google.com/books?id=isIRAA ... 22#PPA3,M1
I don't know if it's any good, but it has lots of commentary and the entire Commedia.
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