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Help with phrase from Latin commentary on Romans

Postby rey » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:12 pm

Vocatus apostolus. Propter quod Deum cognovit et fatetur, factus idoneus servus, promotum se ostendit dicens: Vocatus apostolus, hoc est, a Domino missus ad res ejus agendas.

How close is the below to the above?

Called to be an apostle. Because that he acknowledged and confessed to God, he was made a suitable servant, to reveal by him a second chance, saying called to be an apostle, that is, sent by the Lord to promote his agenda.
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Re: Help with phrase from Latin commentary on Romans

Postby adrianus » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:14 am

rey wrote:promotum se ostendit dicens...

Hi, rey. Welcome. I suggest:
Salve, rey, et gratus tuus adventus in hoc forum. Suggero itá:
"he stepped forward [he revealed himself by moving forward] saying, that he [hoc—this man] was ['is' but Vulgate reported speech] a chosen apostle sent by the Lord to do his works"
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Postby Kasper » Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:55 am

Vale Adriane,

Adrianus wrote:he stepped forward [he revealed himself by moving forward] saying, that he [hoc] this man] was ['is' but Vulgate reported speech] a chosen apostle sent by the Lord to do his works


why is 'hoc', the neuter form, used where a specific man is indicated? why not 'hic'?
Cur ‘hoc’, forma neutri verbi, usum est, siquidem peculiaris vir indicatus sit? Cur non ‘hic’ usus est?

Could it be that the phrase attempts a definition of the term 'Vocatus Apostolus', by saying "A called apostle is this: (it is) a man who has been sent by the Lord to do his works"?
Nonne sit forsitan uti haec enuntiatio conata sit ad appellationem ‘Vocatus Apostolus’ definiendam, dicendo ‘Hoc est ‘Vocatus Apolostus’: est ille qui a Domino missus est ad res ejus agendas.


The whole sentence would then be:
Ergo tota sententia sit ita:

'A called apostle' [the term to be defined]. Because he knew God, and said so, having become His good/suitable servant, he revealed himself, saying: 'A called apostle is this: (it is) a man who has been sent by the Lord to do his works'.
'Vocatus Apostolus' [verbum quod definiendum est]. Propter quod Deum cognovit et fatetur, factus idoneus servus, promotum se ostendit dicens: Vocatus apostolus, hoc est: est ille qui est a Domino missus ad res Ejus agendas.
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Postby adrianus » Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:21 am

You're right, Kasper. My head is wandering.
Rectè dicis, Kasper. Somnio. Mens mihi errat.
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