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where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby spqr » Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:33 pm

I believe that when the last syllable is short then the syllable before that(antepenult) has the accent but in this case the antepenult is a dipthong so how does that determine where the accent lies? Thanks, spqr.
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Re: where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby bedwere » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:04 pm

No, sorry. It is the length of penult that determines whether the accent falls on itself (if the penult is long) or on the antepenult (if the penult is short). The length of the antepenult is of no concern. In the case of Ceutrones, it is reasonable to assume that the penulti is long and so the accent falls on it.

See AG 1.2.4.12
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Re: where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby spqr » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:16 pm

I checked with Wheelock for the rules regarding accent and the the accent does fall on the penult if it is long(by nature or position). Since the o is short then the penult must be long by position. This where I am confused. In this case why is the penult long? In checking with Wheelock I am still uncertain as to whether this word is ceu-tro-nes or ceu-tron-es.
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Re: where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby bedwere » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:25 pm

The o in the penult is long making the syllable long, like in Cicero, ōnis. So it is Ceu-trō-nes.
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Re: where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby spqr » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:11 pm

My book is wrong. It does not have the macron over the o . This the second time I have encountered this kind of error in my book.
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Re: where does the accent for Ceutrones lie?

Postby mwh » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:41 am

spqr,
1. I’m guessing that in your original post you didn't mean “last” but “next to last” or “penult.” Otherwise your post was self-contradictory.
2. You asked about the diphthong. A diphthong counts as a long vowel.
3. If bedwere is right to assume the –o- is long, then the accent falls on it, as you understand. But you could try asking him why he makes that assumption.
4. As to your book, I expect it would add a macron only if the –o- were certifiably long.
5. But who knows how Caesar pronounced the word (it’s a foreign name), if indeed he did?
6. Don’t you think it would be more useful to learn the vowel quantities in more ordinary words? (Reading verse is the best way to do that.)
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