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Is this a purpose clause? Catullus 15

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Is this a purpose clause? Catullus 15

Postby Phoebus Apollo » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:01 pm

commendo tibi me ac meos amores,
Aureli. ueniam peto pudentem,
ut, si quicquam animo tuo cupisti,
quod castum expeteres et integellum,
conserues puerum mihi pudice,
non dico a populo—nihil ueremur
istos, qui in platea modo huc modo illuc
in re praetereunt sua occupati,—
uerum a te metuo tuoque pene
10 infesto pueris bonis malisque.

I think the line in bold is a purpose clause - 'that, if in your heart, you have ever longed for something to seek out, pure and unspoiled...' - but I'm not 100% sure. Any thoughts would be appreciated!
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Re: Is this a purpose clause? Catullus 15

Postby Barry Hofstetter » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 pm

I don't think purpose, but a relative clause of characteristic explaining quicquam.
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Re: Is this a purpose clause? Catullus 15

Postby Phoebus Apollo » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:29 am

Barry Hofstetter wrote:I don't think purpose, but a relative clause of characteristic explaining quicquam.

Ah, I see - so 'which you might seek out' is probably a better translation?

I'm also having trouble with the phrase 'ubi erit foris paratum' and can only render it very literally 'when it will be ready outside' (although I am really not sure what the sense is here)

edit: I have just read Ellis' commentary which says "Quod expeteres, i.e. ut id exp. Epexegetic." so I think it might in fact be a purpose clause
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Re: Is this a purpose clause? Catullus 15

Postby Barry Hofstetter » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:51 am

Phoebus Apollo wrote:edit: I have just read Ellis' commentary which says "Quod expeteres, i.e. ut id exp. Epexegetic." so I think it might in fact be a purpose clause


No. epexegetic(al) means "explanatory," so it is certainly not expressing purpose.
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