by benissimus » Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:46 pm
Ok guys, let's keep in mind that he is only on the first few chapters of Wheelock and that he doesn't need his head cluttered up with jussive subjunctives!<br /><br />Basic imperatives, like vale or lauda don't really need a person. Usually they are directed at a person whom you are talking to. The person whom you are talking to is normally the second person, because by definition, the second person is to whom you are speaking. This isn't very important right now because you will rarely address the person in the sentence with an imperative, but rather will tell them what to do. i.e.- "Praise the people of that city" or "Be strong"; in neither of these sentences do we require a second person, although we can certainly add a vocative if we choose to.<br /><br />Vale is simply an idiom that means "good-bye". If you want to translate it literally, it means "be well" as does salve which means "hello". This is just the way it is. If you look at English, it is not much different: Good-bye= God be with you; Hello is a variant of "Hail!" which also means "be well".<br /><br />As for these noun/verb analyses:<br /><br />vale = farewell\ be strong, (goodbye)<br />finite verb, 2nd conj., 2nd person, singular, Imper. Act.<br />All correct, except that imperatives do not have set persons by any reference or parsing method I have ever seen. The person is implied by context, so you do not need to say "2nd person", because you can just as easily say "Tell them" (say it to yourself in your head, or mutter under your breath) and you will still use the imperative singular. In other words, the whole singular side of the chart goes under "singular imperative" and the plurals go under "plural imperative" (until subjunctive.... >:()<br /><br />patria = fatherland \country\native land <br />noun, (f) 1st dec., voc., singular, Indic., Act. <br />Yes, but nouns cannot be indicative nor active, those are verbal attributes.<br /><br />mea = my<br />adj.? (f) 1st dec., voc., singular, Indic. Act. (agreeing with it’s noun)<br />Yes, it is an adjective. Adjectives do not have declensions, only genders, so rather than "1st dec.", write "fem.". You are correct that it is vocative and singular, but again, only verbs can be indicative or active.<br /><br />I hope I have cleared things up for you. I think that all of this parsing is just going to confuse you until you are a little more advanced in your studies. If you do, however, wish to label all of your nouns and verbs according to their classifications and morphology, then you must know what they are:<br />Nouns- number, case, declension, gender<br />Verbs- person, number, conjugation, mood, tense<br />Adjectives- gender, class (1-2nd declension or 3rd)<br /><br />vale amice!
flebile nescio quid queritur lyra, flebile lingua murmurat exanimis, respondent flebile ripae
