Textkit Logo

When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Here's where you can discuss all things Latin. Use this board to ask questions about grammar, discuss learning strategies, get translation help and more!

Moderator: thesaurus

When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby Banana tree » Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:00 pm

Hi,

I have noticed for example that -que is commonly used when an author is making an enumeration of things. I wonder if you know of any ancient or old sources, in which this question is being discussed?
Banana tree
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 34
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:43 am

Re: When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby adrianus » Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:49 pm

Locum aptum apud Keil ignoro. Hunc fontem inspice.
I don't know of a passage in Keil (Grammatici Antiqui). Secondary source to look at: https://ia700401.us.archive.org/13/items/cu31924021616689/cu31924021616689.pdf
I'm writing in Latin hoping for correction, and not because I'm confident in how I express myself. Latinè scribo ut ab omnibus corrigar, non quod confidenter me exprimam.
adrianus
Textkit Zealot
 
Posts: 3270
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:45 pm

Re: When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby huilen » Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:11 pm

I would say that "et" is the default; "atque" is like "et", but more emphatic, something like "and also"; "ac" is a shortened form of "atque"; "-que" is just the enclitic form of "et".

I think that if you try to say more than that you will always find a counterexample, but it is just my humble opinion.
huilen
Textkit Member
 
Posts: 147
Joined: Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:19 pm
Location: Argentina

Re: When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby A.A.I » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:26 pm

'ac' = 'atque' before vowels?
A.A.I
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 52
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:25 am

Re: When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby Shenoute » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:46 am

Keil, Grammatici Latini I, p. 417
Diomedis Artis grammaticae lib. I wrote:Et coniunctio id valet quod que; sed hoc differt, quod haec non modo subiungitur sed etiam praeponitur, (...)

But that doesn't say anything about when one might be used preferably to the other...
Shenoute
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:23 pm

Re: When to use -que, et, ac or atque

Postby Banana tree » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:29 pm

Of course there isn't one rule that is always correct regarding this. I'm rather searching for an authority (as old as possible), who says that in this or that scenario it is preferable to use this conjunction. I find it hard to believe that there hasn't existed a learned person, who hasn't been thinking about this. Thank you for the answers so far. I'll continue to dig.
Banana tree
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 34
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:43 am


Return to Learning Latin

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: GJCaesar, swtwentyman and 85 guests