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ROMARIUS
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Elegiarum Question!!!

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"VIDI TE SOMNIS FRACTA,MEA VITA,CARINA IONIO LASSAS DUCERE RORE MANUS...."
What does "FRACTA" actually mean in here?

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Hi,
"VIDI TE SOMNIS FRACTA,MEA VITA,CARINA IONIO LASSAS DUCERE RORE MANUS...."
What does "FRACTA" actually mean in here?
I googled my way to:

Vidi te in somnis fracta, mea vita, carina
Ionio lassas ducere rore manus,


Opening of Propertius’ Elegy 2.26, right? He dreams of his hard-to-get Cynthia drowning, crying out for for him to help her. I believe fracta goes with carina. I remember ‘carina’ (‘keel’) from Horace’s:

Solvitur acris hiems grata vice veris et Favoni
trahuntque siccas machinae carinas
(more or less: Sharp winter is thawed by Spring's pleasant change and the West Wind
and the winches are dragging dry keels [down to the sea])

fracta carina = with broken keel = shipwrecked/capsized/floundering/whatever
ducere lassas manus = to move /moving tired hands
Ionio rore = in the Ionian spray/sea.

Intriguing facts from Words:

ros, roris N M
dew; light rain; spray/splash water; [ros marinus/maris => rosemary]


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Your words are telling! Thank you!

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ROMARIUS wrote:"VIDI TE SOMNIS FRACTA,MEA VITA,CARINA IONIO LASSAS DUCERE RORE MANUS...."
What does "FRACTA" actually mean in here?
It modifies carina. Look at the quantities.
Similis sum folio de quo ludunt venti.

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ROMARIUS wrote:"VIDI TE SOMNIS FRACTA,MEA VITA,CARINA IONIO LASSAS DUCERE RORE MANUS...."
Btw, the poetic device here is neat. Note that "fracta carina" is indeed broken in two by "mea vita", which itself is modified by the attraction of fracta. Although fracta and vita are not joined grammatically the reader still enjoys the proximity effect, i.e., that both the ship and the poet's life (Cynthia) are broken. This effect is also seen in other poems by Propertius and Horace.

I'm not sure but I think this effect is known as hypallage or zeugma. Perhaps one of the Textkit experts can let us know exactly ?
Similis sum folio de quo ludunt venti.

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