participle help please

[stevenius]

Sorry if this is a very simple issue, i'm quite new to latin. In de bello gallico in the clause "His rebus adducti et auctoritate" i dont understand the meaning of "adducti". I think its a participle and should be translated as induced but rebus is fem abl plural and adducti is (i think) masc nom plural.Shouldn't the participle agree with the noun ? Could someone please clarify,<br /> Thanks,Steven

[Lumen_et_umbra]

It looks to me as though it means:<br />(Without contextual information this could be off by quite a ways)<br /><br /><br />(of the man/the men) having been led to believe, by these things and by advice/judgement/opinion/authority,...<br /><br /><br />or...<br /><br /><br />(of the man/the men) having been led to believe these things and the advice given him/them,... (This one only works if the verb, in its passive form, takes the dative case to express the direct object.)<br /><br /> <br /><br />This may sound a bit funky, sorry. I do know that adducere takes the meaning "led to believe" in passive constructs.

[Keesa]

You're new to Latin? In which century? If that's new, what am I? Utter beginner, I suppose...Welcome to Textkit, by the way! I see that this is your first post...<br /><br />Keesa

[Lumen_et_umbra]

My brain must be fried today! I have finally finished editting my first message for like the 10th time! Holy crap! :-\

[stevenius]

Thanks.Lead to believe = induced i just cleaned it up a bit.the whole clause i believe translates as "lead to believe by these things" I was wondering about the grammer more so then then the meaning.

[benissimus]

The "rebus" and the "auctoritate" look to be agents. Even though they are separated by quite a few words, they have the same role in the sentence, so one portion of your sentence would read "...led to believe by the things and authority..."

[Milito]

A participle doesn't necessarily have to agree with a local noun.... It can act as an adjective acting as a noun, and so stand by itself. This is why "adducti" doesn't agree with rebus, and why Lumen_et_umbra translated it as "men having been led to believe".<br /><br />Of course, by now, this is likely completely unnecessary clarification, but in case it isn't, here's yet another bit of input....<br /><br /><br />

[stevenius]

Thanks for all your help guys.