Textkit Logo

E vs ex

Here's where you can discuss all things Latin. Use this board to ask questions about grammar, discuss learning strategies, get translation help and more!

Moderator: thesaurus

E vs ex

Postby Venabili » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:03 pm

According to the note in Moreland and Fischer:

e before a word beginning with a consonant, ex before a vowel or h and sometimes before a consonant.

The last part of this definition really makes my head hurt. When do you use ex before a consonant? I presume they mean one differrent from h and considering that there is no silent letters, there is no way to have a word starting with a consonant in the written form but to be read starting with a vowel. So... help? :(

(Working with Moreland and Fleischer's Intensive Course but the question is generic so decided to post here instead of the M&F subforum).
Venabili
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:24 pm

Re: E vs ex

Postby adrianus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:37 pm

L&S, http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dex, wrote:ex or ē (ex always before vowels, and elsewh. more freq. than e; e. g. in Cic. Rep. e occurs 19 times, but ex 61 times, before consonants—but no rule can be given for the usage; cf., e. g., ex and e together: “qui ex corporum vinculis tamquam e carcere evolaverunt,” Cic. Rep. 6, 14. But certain expressions have almost constantly the same form, as ex parte, ex sententia, ex senatus consulto, ex lege, ex tempore, etc.; but e regione, e re nata, e vestigio, e medio, and e republica used adverbially; v. Neue, Formenl. 2, 756 sq.)...
I'm writing in Latin hoping for correction, and not because I'm confident in how I express myself. Latinè scribo ut ab omnibus corrigar, non quod confidenter me exprimam.
adrianus
Textkit Zealot
 
Posts: 3270
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:45 pm

Re: E vs ex

Postby Venabili » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:46 pm

Thanks.

So there is no strict rule for the words starting with consonants? And it should be looked up every time? Or can ex be used in all times besides the few listed in the L&S?
Venabili
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:24 pm

Re: E vs ex

Postby adrianus » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:45 pm

Venabili wrote:Or can ex be used in all times besides the few listed in the L&S?

Yes. That's my understanding,—and that either ex or e before consonants would be fine, except for cases given.
Ita, sic intellego,—et aptum aut ex aut e ante consonantes litteras separatim cum exemplis citatis.

Here's L&S on a and ab. It make's my head hurt, too.
De a/ab praepositione, vide L&S ut caput tibi pejus doleat.
L&S,http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3Dab, wrote:The second form of this preposition...was ab, which has become the principal form and the one most generally used through all periods—and indeed the only one used before all vowels and h; here and there also before some consonants, particularly l, n, r, and s; rarely before c, j, d, t; and almost never before the labials p, b, f, v, or before m, such examples as ab Massiliensibus, Caes. B. C. 1, 35, being of the most rare occurrence.
I'm writing in Latin hoping for correction, and not because I'm confident in how I express myself. Latinè scribo ut ab omnibus corrigar, non quod confidenter me exprimam.
adrianus
Textkit Zealot
 
Posts: 3270
Joined: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:45 pm

Re: E vs ex

Postby Venabili » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:50 pm

Sounds like a lot of fun when I get to a/ab... which is in Unit 2 :)
Venabili
Textkit Neophyte
 
Posts: 19
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:24 pm


Return to Learning Latin

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], hlawson38 and 106 guests