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De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby pmda » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:12 pm

In Cap. XXXV Orberg Scripsit:

1)

[M] Casus nominum quot sunt?

[D] Sex.

[M] Qui?

[D] Nominativus, genetivus, dativus, accusativus, vocativus, ablativus. Per HOS omnium generum nomina, pronomina, participia declinantur.

'omnium generum' neutrum est. Cur non scripsit Orberg 'Per HAEC omnium generum nomina, pronomina...'?


2)

De Pronomine

[M] Pronomen quid est?

[D] Pars orationis quae pro nomine posita tantumdem paene significat personamque interdum recipit…

'...personamque interdum recipit'

????

[M] What is a pronoun?

[D] A part of speech which stands in the place of a noun nearly always meaning the same thing and is sometimes taken to mean a person.

Cur 'paene'...?

3)

[M] Genera pronominum quae sunt?

[D] Eadem fere quae et nominum: masculinum, ut 'quis', femininum, ut 'quae' et nominum: masculinum, ut 'quis', feminum, ut 'quae', neutrum, ut 'quod', commune, ut 'qualis', 'talis', trium generum, ut 'ego', 'tu'.


? Cur 'fere' - Adverbum est? 'Generally'?

[M] What are the genders of pronouns?

[D] Generally the same as nouns:.....
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby Sceptra Tenens » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:40 pm

pmda wrote:'omnium generum' neutrum est. Cur non scripsit Orberg 'Per HAEC omnium generum nomina, pronomina...'?


Per hos casus omnium generum &c

pmda wrote:Cur 'paene'...?


Hem... interdum, fortasse, in sententiis fixis (idioms) nihil valet pronomen? Nunc exempla non memini...

pmda wrote:? Cur 'fere' - Adverbum est? 'Generally'?


Mirum est. Fortasse fere scripsit quod desunt nomina trium generum :/
mihi iussa capessere fas est
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby adrianus » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:58 am

Felix substantivum et similia trium generum est
Donatus, Ars Minor, De Partibus Orationis, wrote:genera nominum quot sunt? quattuor.

quae? masculinum, ut hic magister, femininum, ut haec Musa, neutrum, ut hoc scamnum, commune, ut hic et haec sacerdos. est praeterea trium generum, quod omne dicitur, ut hic et haec et hoc felix; est epicoenon, id est promiscuum, ut passer aquila.

fere adverbium et "entirely/basically/just" anglicè significat.
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby pmda » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:12 am

Gratias vobis ago.
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby pmda » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:09 am

In [D] Eadem fere quae et nominum:

..is 'quae' a relative pronoun meaning 'which'

so it means 'which is entirely the same as with [my translation of 'et' - Orberg says 'et' here means the same as 'etiam which can mean 'as with'.] the noun.'
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby adrianus » Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:02 pm

pmda wrote:In [D] Eadem fere quae et nominum:

..is 'quae' a relative pronoun meaning 'which'

so it means 'which is entirely the same as with [my translation of 'et' - Orberg says 'et' here means the same as 'etiam which can mean 'as with'.] the noun.'


Yes // Ita, "Entirely the same genders [genders implied // genera subaudita] that are [are implied // sunt verbum subauditum] also of nouns [/that also belong to nouns]
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Re: De Cap XXXV Familia Romana (Orberg) II

Postby pmda » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:20 am

Gratias tibi ago Adriane
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