Question re meter and feet

[pmda]

In Orberg's Pensum A in Cap XXXIV he asks for the following to be scanned:

Now, I've mostly got this right but in the middle of two of the lines (as indicated) he has in the answer two verticallines. These indicate the end of a foot but also seem to divide the line so that what follows doesn't have any effect on the syllable length. I have marked these, 'II' on the 2nd and 4th line. Can anyone tell me how I can should be able to spot these because, otherwise, I'd have marked the 'is' in 'fallis' as short whereas with the dividing II it is marked long...

Similarly I wouldn't have divided up the feet as they are.... Is there something I'm missing?

scrībere mē quereris, Vēlōx, epigrammata longa.

ipse nihil scrībis: II tū breviōra facis.


das numquam, semper prōmittis, Galla, rogantī.

sī semper fallis, II iam rogo, Galla, negā.

[adrianus]

I consonanti jam vocabulum incipitur.
Jam starts with consonantal i.

Now, I've mostly got this right but ...I wouldn't have divided up the feet as they are.... Is there something I'm missing?

A reason for believing you are right and evidence of how the feet are divided.
Rationem requiris quoad cur te rectum esse credas, non minùs vestigia modi pedum dividendorum.

[adrianus]

Can anyone tell me how I can should be able to spot these...

De caesurâ, vide A&G, §611b: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.04.0001
De versûs hexametri caesurâ, vide http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/tex ... 99.04.0001

[pmda]

I consonanti jam vocabulum incipitur.
Jam starts with consonantal i.

Now, I've mostly got this right but ...I wouldn't have divided up the feet as they are.... Is there something I'm missing?

A reason for believing you are right and evidence of how the feet are divided.
Rationem requiris quoad cur te rectum esse credas, non minùs vestigia modi pedum dividendorum.

Adrianus, I know I'm mostly right in my scansion because I've checked my answers against Orberg's answer book. I don't understand your point about the consonantal 'i' in Iam. My questions are:

1) There is a break in the line signified by II. - what is that?

2) Why is it there, in particular and and how can one know where they go?

I looked briefly at your 2nd post which I think provides answers to these.....I will study them carefully - though where the caesura goes seems to depend upon the sense of the verse..

Many thanks.

[Sceptra Tenens]

I don't understand your point about the consonantal 'i' in Iam.

Generally, when I starts a word and is followed by a vowel, it becomes a consonant sounding like our Y - iam is pronounced yam.

So, fallis jam (consonantal I is sometimes written as J) is scanned as fāllīs jām, since there are two consonants after the I in fallis.

The || represents the caesura (a pause), which is always at that place in a pentameter. In a hexameter, it usually goes on the third, fourth or second and fourth foot. It is placed where a word ends in the middle of a foot, usually after a long syllable. The links that Adrianus offered will explain better than I can.

[adrianus]

I know I'm mostly right in my scansion because I've checked my answers against Orberg's answer book.

Then why do you say this, pmda?
Cur tunc ita dicis?

I wouldn't have divided up the feet as they are...

You mean you got things right elsewhere but not in this case, perhaps. You are going well.
Forsit vis dicere te alibi rectè respondisse, exemplis citatis secretis. Macte!

[pmda]

Adrianus..what I mean is that I'm doing reasonably OK at scanning the meter and syllable length etc......but that the caesura 'II' somewhat threw me. I couldn't figure out any rules about where they went or why they went where they went (I found them in Orberg's Answer book which showed that I had got most of the scansion right.....but did not identify the caesuras...and hence did not appreciate that the first syllable of the following sentence was not influenced by the end of previous syllable but was treated like a new line...if you catch my drift.)

[pmda]

Sceptra Tenens..many thanks for your comments..

[adrianus]

I catch your drift, pmda.
Vim, pmda, sententiae tuae capio.