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Proper names ending in -eus

Postby Franmorar » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:13 am

Bonus et felix fortunatusque vobis sit omnibus annus bismillesimus undecimus p. Ch. n.!
Please, could anybody answer this little question concerning Latin accent position?
According to Latin pronunciation, which is the stressed syllable in those names from Greek origin ending in -eus, like Perseus, Atreus, Odysseus, Peleus etc.? Do they all follow the rule of the penult as other Latin words do? Or must the accent be pronounced on -eus?
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby adrianus » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:09 am

In Latin as in Greek, and in Latin following the normal rule on the antepenultimate: Per'seus, A'treus, Odys'seus, Pe'leus.
Latinè sicut graecè, vel* secundum cotidianam regulam in antepaenultimam: Per'seus et reliqua
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby cb » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:10 am

hi Adrian, can you please clarify what you mean?

the first part of your post seems to imply that these words are accented on the last syllable (given that the rule in grk is that nouns in –ευς are accented on the last syllable: see chandler on grk accentuation, s655 (pg 186): http://www.archive.org/stream/accentuat ... 6/mode/1up )

the second part of your post, however, seems to imply the opposite.

many thanks, chad :)
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby adrianus » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:48 am

Sorry. I wasn't clear. My understanding (from memory) is that classically you can pronounce either way in Latin, like the Greek or using Roman rules.
Me paenitet. Non clarè scripsi. Ut memoriâ intellego, classicè utro modo sonare potes.
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby cb » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:16 pm

OK thanks Adrian - i always like your posts when you give quotes from ancient grammarians, do you have any for this?

thanks, chad :)
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby adrianus » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:06 pm

Not without diving into Keil and I'm can't just now. Later I'll try, chad.
Non sine scrutando apud Keil at aliter solicitus sum. Forsìt, chad, posteriùs scrutari potero.
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby adrianus » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:08 pm

I can't find something justifying the (Latin) alternative (maybe I'm misremembering), but here's what I can see right now (Greek words with Greek accents):
Vestigia reperire quae alternationem approbant non possum (de eo quod priùs dixi, forsàn erro). Ecce autem quod modò reperio (Graeca verba Graecis accentibus).
Ars Cledonii (Keil v.5, p.33) wrote:Saepe conturbat: meminerimus ut graeca verba graecis accentibus pronuntiemus, quae verba in ultimis syllabis accentus habent, quae Latini habere non possunt, ut Dido, Nais. [in his ultimae habent circumflexum accentum]

"sane Graeca verba Graecis accentibus efferimus." (Donatus, Ars Grammatica, "De Tonis")
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Re: Proper names ending in -eus

Postby cb » Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:43 pm

many thanks Adrian!
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