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how to use "because"

Postby Quis ut Deus » Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:35 pm

Salve omnis!

I haven't visited but I promise you I have been hard at work studying my declensions and conjugations.

I have taken up a diary in Latin to help me along.

Anyways, I was wondering if somebody can help me put together some phrases for everyday activities.

For example, I want to say, "I went to sleep because I was tired," or "She left because it was late," "I bought dinner because I was hungrty."

Here's what I have:

Dormi quod defessus erat.
Discessit quod tardus erat.
Emi cibum quod famelicus erat.

I'm not sure if I'm using "quod" correctly, or if there is another word for "because" in this situation.
THanks again. Gratis vobis ago!
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby ptolemyauletes » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:31 pm

Yes, in fact 'quod' is just about the only thing correct in these sentences. But don't be discouraged. Mistakes are how we learn.

In your first sentence re-check your principal parts for your verb. i is the correct ending, but the stem is wrong. Secondly, you need to say 'I was tired' not 'he was tired' as you have.

In your second sentence 'tardus' does not work because the 'us' ending is describing something masculine, and 'it' is not masculine. It would be better to ue an adverb like 'tardius' = 'it was rather late.'

Again in your third sentence you need a different verb ending from 'erat'. You want to say 'I was hungry'. This is not great way to say that in Latin, Try to find a verb that means 'to hunger' and use it instead.
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby Quis ut Deus » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:06 am

Good!

'Dormivi' it should have been. The "dormi" was a little bit of interference from my L2, Spanish. :?

'Tarda' it should have been. By cutting out the pronoun I forgot I was talking about a female.

I'll look for a verb that means "to hunger."

But other than that my use of 'quod' is OK? That's encouraging!

Well, back to the drawing board.

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New sentence

Postby Quis ut Deus » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:21 am

Ea cibum emit quod esuriebatur.

She bought food because she was hungry.

esuriebatur = she was hungry IMPERFECT PASSIVE.

Is this a better sentence?

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Re: how to use "because"

Postby ptolemyauletes » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:49 pm

I am still not sure about using tarda as an adjective here. It normally means 'slow' or 'sluggish'. I still feel the adverb 'tardius' would be better.

esurio is the perfect verb, but there is no need to make it passive. 'She was hungry' is an active idea. 'She hungered.'
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby Quis ut Deus » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:15 am

Thanks again for chiming in, ptolemyauletes.

It's gonna take me a while to get the nuances of this magificent language.

Until, then, back to the drawing board and cheers!

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Re: how to use "because"

Postby Iulia » Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:36 pm

Quis ut Deus wrote:For example, I want to say, "She left because it was late"


Or, if you wanted to convey the idea that she left because it was late in the day/evening, would sero from serus, -a, -um be a good fit? As in,

Discessit quod sero erat.
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby Iulia » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:48 pm

ptolemyauletes wrote:I am still not sure about using tarda as an adjective here. It normally means 'slow' or 'sluggish'. I still feel the adverb 'tardius' would be better.


Also, noster Ptoleme, I meant to also ask why you suggest tardius rather than simply tarde? Gratias, /Iulia
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby adrianus » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:20 pm

Iulia wrote:Or, if you wanted to convey the idea that she left because it was late in the day/evening, would sero from serus, -a, -um be a good fit? As in,

Discessit quod sero erat.

Plus
quod vespere/vesperi/flexo in vesperam diem erat/vesperabat [late Latin!]/vesperascebat/advesperascebat [secundum Ainsworth]
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby Scribo » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:08 pm

What about quia? is that solely for answering cur?

Cur discetes, amice?
Quia sero est et debeo iter facere.

For example?
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Re: how to use "because"

Postby adrianus » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:39 am

Others may be wiser, Scribo, but I don't see a distinction between "quod" and "quia" and "quo" (or "quoniam" or "quando" explaining from the writer's/speaker's sole viewpoint) in replying to "cur". I don't know any rule to the contrary about that (which isn't saying much).
Alii me sapientiores sint, Scribo, at distinctionem exstare inter "quod" et "quia" et "quo" (et "quoniam" et "quando", sub judicio oratoris/scriptoris solo) ad "cur" in respondendo non cogito. De hâc re, ullam regulam quae prohibet ignoro (quod non multum significat).

Cur discedis?
Quia/quod/quoniam/quando sero est [at hîc non "quo" ut sentio]
Et quia/quod/quo/quando/quoniam debeo iter facere.
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