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A new textual variant

Postby jeidsath » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:13 pm

Καὶ ὅτε ἐπλήσθησαν αἱ ἡμέραι τοῦ καθαρισμοῦ αὐτῶν κατὰ τὸν νόμον Μωϋσέως, ἀνήγαγον αὐτὸν εἰς Ἱεροσόλυμα παραστῆσαι τῷ κυρίῳ, καθὼς γέγραπται ἐν νόμῳ κρίου ὅτι Πᾶν ἄρσεν διανοῖγον μήτραν ἅγιον τῷ κυρίῳ κληθήσεται, καὶ τοῦ δοῦναι θυσίαν κατὰ τὸ εἰρημένον ἐν τῷ νόμῳ κυρίου, ζεῦγος τρυγόνων ἢ δύο νοσσοὺς περιστερῶν.

(Luke 2:22-24 UBS Greek NT, Reader's Edition 2010) (italics theirs)


This is big! A previously undiscovered source text for the Gospels. I'm going to write a monograph right away.
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby C. S. Bartholomew » Thu Feb 11, 2016 4:22 pm

this is a little cryptic. would you like to elaborate?
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby mwh » Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:58 pm

Isn’t it obvious that τῳ κυριῳ in the first quote is a misprint for τῳ κριῳ?
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby Paul Derouda » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:13 pm

κρίε πέπον!
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby C. S. Bartholomew » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:26 pm

mwh wrote:Isn’t it obvious that τῳ κυριῳ in the first quote is a misprint for τῳ κριῳ?

To quote Miles Davis, "so what?"
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby mwh » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:43 pm

I think you mean “Say what?” But Πᾶν ἄρσεν “every male thing” confirms. For what could be more male than The Ram?
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby Timothée » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:52 pm

So there's a difference of exactly one letter in this passus compared with Nestle-Aland. Exodus 13:2,12,15 (the reference kindly provided by Novum) talks of בְּהֵמָה which can refer to many kinds of animals (often quadruped), especially cattle. But I fear I'll never rid myself of my eternal obtundity (nor occasional orotundity): why κρίου and not κριοῦ?
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby mwh » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:12 pm

That's why I omitted accents in my joke (which was intended to make Joel's post less cryptic for Stirling).
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby Timothée » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:58 am

Now I'm even more baffled. Is there actually a new source or was it just a funny made by Joel in the first place?
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby Hylander » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:35 pm

Don't spoil it by asking for an explicit answer, Timothée!
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby mwh » Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:39 pm

Joel has a warped sense of humor, that's all. And so do I. We were having fun with the misprint (the dropped upsilon) in this particular UBS edition. Nobody's seriously entertaining kriou. Sorry if anyone was misled.
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Re: A new textual variant

Postby jeidsath » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:28 pm

If I truly had a warped sense of humor, I would have cited Leviticus 7:1 for support.

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