1 John 2:13
γραφω υμιν πατερες οτι εγνωκατε τον απ αρχης γραφω υμιν νεανισκοι οτι νενικηκατε τον πονηρον εγραψα υμιν παιδια οτι εγνωκατε τον πατερα
The article "τον" seems as if it could function in two different ways.
First: It seems to function to establish a substantive
Second: It appears as if it also functions as a pointer.(anaphoric)
Here is the question, "Is it possible for that the article functions as both in this verse"? (1 John 2:13)
If so the anaphor would seem to be speaking of 1 John 1:1
ο ην απ αρχης ο ακηκοαμεν ο εωρακαμεν τοις οφθαλμοις ημων ο εθεασαμεθα και αι χειρες ημων εψηλαφησαν περι του λογου της ζωης
Am I understanding this correctly?
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Function of the article
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The difference in gender (here masculine τὸν and there neuter ὃν) seems to be against the pointing to 1 John 1:1. I think it's referring here to a person rather than to a concept, which is the justification for the masculine.GTM wrote:1 John 2:13
γραφω υμιν πατερες οτι εγνωκατε τον απ αρχης γραφω υμιν νεανισκοι οτι νενικηκατε τον πονηρον εγραψα υμιν παιδια οτι εγνωκατε τον πατερα
The article "τον" seems as if it could function in two different ways.
First: It seems to function to establish a substantive
Second: It appears as if it also functions as a pointer.(anaphoric)
Here is the question, "Is it possible for that the article functions as both in this verse"? (1 John 2:13)
If so the anaphor would seem to be speaking of 1 John 1:1
ο ην απ αρχης ο ακηκοαμεν ο εωρακαμεν τοις οφθαλμοις ημων ο εθεασαμεθα και αι χειρες ημων εψηλαφησαν περι του λογου της ζωης
Am I understanding this correctly?
GTM
I agree, though, that it's functioning both as a substantive ("the one [that is] from the beginning") and also as a pointer (specifically, "that one [that is] from the beginning"). It's functioning to point at someone, surely a reference to Jesus being "from the beginning".
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Jason
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Re: Function of the article
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Could we understand this as a personification of the Logos?
Thanks in advance
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Interesting thought.I think it's referring here to a person rather than to a concept, which is the justification for the masculine.
Could we understand this as a personification of the Logos?
Thanks in advance
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Why not? I think the audience was intended to know who was meant. It might be a reference to "God" in general -- the eternal one, him who is from the beginning.GTM wrote:Could we understand this as a personification of the Logos?
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Once again thank you for your input
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It seems as if the Gospel of John was an attempt to define the Deity of Christ while the 1st Epistle sought to define the Humanity of Christ. If there is a personification here, which I believe there is, it has to do with the Messiah.Why not? I think the audience was intended to know who was meant. It might be a reference to "God" in general -- the eternal one, him who is from the beginning.
Once again thank you for your input
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Re: Function of the article
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I am not sure that I understand what you mean.seems good .I like to write article too.
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