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chs XXXII XXXIII and XX XXI μιow verbs and participles

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:16 pm
by Tertius Robertus
i leave you with these question:

  1. On the present participle: he presents for them 2 possible charts that differ by the stem. that is, the stem either ends in ovt and nominative wv, ouca and ov; or in ovt avt evt uvt, ending in s in the nominative masc. How the hell can I know to which class the verb belongs? knowing not the stem previously? :roll: [at least he says something about the mi :roll: which goes into the second]
  2. On the mi verbs, there are also four (with the pres and imper for each) charts for the mi's differing only by the vowel in the duals and plurals, how can I know to which chart the verb belongs?
  3. Also, how do their 3rd persons behave when followed by vowel? it is ci does the i drops and the c goes s, or there is nu movable thing? or both?
  4. He asks to memorize all 11 forms of the participle. but there are only 10 :?
    act: ps aor fut perf, medial: these and fut perf, passive: aor
  5. Finally do the existence of a principal forms implies the existence of the derived forms? and does its inexistence implies the inexistence of the derived forms? I ask this because of the olekei, which has imperfect, but not the others.

Re: chs XXXII XXXIII and XX XXI μιow verbs and participles

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:14 pm
by modus.irrealis

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:23 pm
by Tertius Robertus
thanks, mode, this is great :D

PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:09 pm
by edonnelly
Tertius Robertus wrote:thanks, mode, this is great :D


I agree. This info is very helpful. Thanks.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:34 pm
by modus.irrealis
I'm relieved it makes sense. It was really helpful for me too to try and explain it :D.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:56 pm
by Tertius Robertus
i have another question on mi verbs. because we are given another chart to memorize, which is the perfect system of ιστημι, but it is not told whther the chart works for all the mi verbs with the combination (h a) of verb stems..

by the way, i remember to have asked somewhere how to know to which chart the mi verb belongs, it seems that the mi verbs have besides themselves at the exercises lists between parenteses the combination of verb stems, among other things which i am still not able to dechipher.

cheers

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:12 pm
by annis
Tertius Robertus wrote:i have another question on mi verbs. because we are given another chart to memorize, which is the perfect system of ιστημι, but it is not told whther the chart works for all the mi verbs with the combination (h a) of verb stems..


ἵστημι must be taken on its own terms — it's a very odd verb.

I'm not a big fan of the phrase "μι-verbs." There is no such thing as a μι-verb, there are only verbs which have μι presents. It is true that some of the most common μι-present verbs are odd in several of the principal parts, but that's not intrinsic to their taking μι-presents. βαίνω is a perfectly normal present stem but has a root-aorist, ἔβην, which acts like the 2nd aorist of ἵστημι, ἔστην, whereas δείκνυμι has a boring, regular aorist, ἔδειξα.

Each principal part of a verb may have its own character which will not necessarily be predictable from other principal parts.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:01 pm
by Tertius Robertus
thanks, yeah that makes sense. i found it weird too when he defined athematic and thematic verbs, just to say later that no verb is thoroughly athematic or thematic... :? some grammarians.... :?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:41 am
by Tertius Robertus
there is yet another thing which i didnt notice before. 3 of the mi present verbs (:D) have 2nd aorists, whereas icthmi doesnt. also, these 3 have also a 1st aorist, which is not displayed at the chart. so just i must assume that they are regular on account of this. secondly, does the lack of a second aorsit system is a particularity if icthmi, or a generality of the mi present verbs with stem (h a).

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:05 am
by modus.irrealis

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:23 pm
by Tertius Robertus
thanks mode :D

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by Lex
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Re: Sell Nike,Jordan,Air force 1 sneaker

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:24 pm
by annis
Lex wrote:
sneakersupplier wrote:*zot*


Somebody ban this putz.


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