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Pharr p. 26

Postby John C » Fri Sep 05, 2003 8:22 am

Hello, I'm new to the forum. I'm Going through Pharr on lesson 6 and I have run into several sentences using the accusative form for indirect objects which I thought should be dative. Here are two, numbers 1 and 6, but several of the sentences have this.<br /><br />1. a)glaa\ a)/poina fe/rousin )Acaioi\ ei\j strato\n.<br /><br />I'm wanting to translate this as "The Achaeans bear glorious ransoms through the encampment" but the strato\n is clearly accusative - a direct object. <br /><br />6. )Acaioi\ pe/mpousin a)\poina muri/) ei)j pa/trhn.<br /><br />Again the use of the accusative after the prepostion ei)j.<br /><br />Thanks for your help.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />John<br /><br />
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Re:Pharr p. 26

Postby annis » Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:21 pm

Ah.<br /><br />Do not equate direct object with the accusative. The accusative has several other jobs, one of which is to indicate motion with certain prepositions, like here.<br /><br />Accusative: motion toward<br />Dative: location at<br />Genetive: motion from<br /><br />Some prepositions, like [face=SPIonic]ei(j[/face], always take the accusative.<br /><br />I don't have Pharr handy at the moment, but in the syntax section at the back there will be several paragraphs about the different uses of the accusative. Take a quick look at those.
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Re:Pharr p. 26

Postby Lex » Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:15 pm

[quote author=William Annis link=board=2;threadid=595;start=0#5348 date=1062764471]<br />Some prepositions, like [face=SPIonic]ei(j[/face], always take the accusative.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And some prepositions have different meanings depending on whether the phrase following is genitive, accusative or dative. And the meaning might have little to do with the motion rules just given. What fun! ::)<br />
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Re:Pharr p. 26

Postby Bert » Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:33 am

[quote author=William Annis link=board=2;threadid=595;start=0#5348 date=1062764471]<br /> <br />I don't have Pharr handy at the moment, but in the syntax section at the back there will be several paragraphs about the different uses of the accusative. Take a quick look at those.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Sections 1011 to 1021.<br />See also sections 1048 to 1061.
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Re:Pharr p. 26

Postby John C » Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:38 am

Thanks for the help - I wish Pharr would have said this up front. I see now the myriad of conditions described in the back. Constantly thumbing forward and backward in this book...<br /><br />John
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