Common homeric verbs

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Common homeric verbs

Post by psilord » Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:51 am

What are the 100 most common homeric verbs?

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Post by chad » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:19 am

this is straight from chicago homer, searching all verbs which appear in the iliad 44 times or more:

[edit: i just fixed this up for you, converting the unicode to betacode through one of Paul's programs]

1-100 in order of frequency:

[face=SPIonic]ei)mi/
e)/xw
fhmi/
e)/rxomai
ei)=pon
ei)=mi
di/dwmi
ei)=don
ba/llw
i(/sthmi
ai(re/w
ti/qhmi
bai/nw
fe/rw
oi)=da
i(kne/omai
gi/gnomai
a)/gw
e)qe/lw
o)/rnumi
ma/xomai
pro/sfhmi
pei/qw
ti/ktw
e(/pomai
kei=mai
keleu/w
a)kou/w
i(/hmi
teu/xw
prosei=pon
prosauda/w
e)lau/nw
me/nw
pi/ptw
lei/pw
a)mei/bw
a)goreu/w
fai/nw
e)/oika
feu/gw
o)/llumi
fwne/w
dama/zw
eu)/xomai
noe/w
ktei/nw
a)/rxw
tele/w
a)/nwga
lu/w
xe/w
h(=mai
lamba/nw
qnh/skw
du/w
kale/w
e)a/w
mimnh/skw
oi)/omai
fra/zw
o)tru/nw
gignw/skw
pe/lw
i(ka/nw
du/namai
e)ru/w
o(ra/w
nai/w
a)xeu/w
ki/w
me/maa
klu/w
frone/w
dei/dw
lanqa/nw
de/xomai
r)e/zw
ke/lomai
kalu/ptw
pau/w
me/llw
a)mu/nw
pari/sthmi
h)mi/
eu(ri/skw
qe/w
seu/w
xolo/w
a)ni/sthmi
e(/lkw
li/ssomai
kai/w
ti/w
tre/pw
a)i/+ssw
e)/lpw
r)u/omai
kataktei/nw
ma/rnamai[/face]

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Post by psilord » Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:52 pm

Awesome!

Thanks a lot, chad!

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Re: Common homeric verbs

Post by edonnelly » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:23 pm

psilord Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:51 am wrote:What are the 100 most common homeric verbs?


chad Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:19 am wrote:1-100 in order of frequency:

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Under 30 minutes response time (and in the middle of the night at that)? That's insane (but awesome)!

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Post by Timotheus » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:26 pm

some folks don't sleep :lol:

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Post by chad » Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:06 am

it actually wasn't late here in ye old sydney town

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Post by Timotheus » Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:13 am

I am home from work now and I looked in my library and found

"[face=SPIonic]Oi/ ka/talogoi tw=n e)pw=n tw=n O(mhrei/wn[/face] Homeric Vocabularies ;owen and goodspeed with a forward by Clyde Pharr ; from the Univeresity of Oklahoma Press


not only does it have the verbs but it has noun, pronouns, adverbs, prep's, etc..
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Post by psilord » Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:52 am

chad wrote:it actually wasn't late here in ye old sydney town

No, but it was when I posted. :)

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Post by Bardo de Saldo » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:31 pm

I also have Owen and Goodspeed's Homeric Vocabularies. It has 6 lists of verbs; List I includes verbs ocurring 500-2,000 times, List II verbs ocurring 200-500 times...

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Post by annis » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:34 am

chad wrote:this is straight from chicago homer, searching all verbs which appear in the iliad 44 times or more:


This list further supports my view that the -[face=spionic]mi[/face] verbs should be introduced within the first, say, 10 lessons of any Greek textbook, not saved for last.
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/http://www.scholiastae.org/
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Post by psilord » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:51 pm

Are -[face=spionic]mi[/face] verbs so complex that they have to get pushed off until later in a textbook? I've noticed I'm starting to come across them in the pharr book and they are often glossed over.

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Post by Bert » Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:25 pm

I don't think that they are that much more complex but they are different than the ones that are taught earlier in the books.
Teaching them at the end is probably done in an effort to minimize information overload.
I can understand William's sentiment but by pushing mi verbs ahead you are shoving something else back.
Everything can't be taught at once.
One reason I like Mounce's primer is that it holds of teaching verbs untill the noun system has been taught.
Others dislike it for the same reason.
I remember parsing a verb like e)/luon as acc. sg. masc. (That was after using mounce's system.) I can imagine totaly mixing things up if nouns and verbs were taught at the same time.

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Post by annis » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:48 am

Bert wrote:I don't think that they are that much more complex but they are different than the ones that are taught earlier in the books.
Teaching them at the end is probably done in an effort to minimize information overload.


Then something really obscure should be shoved to the back.

My reasoning is that things that happen a lot should get a lot of practice. Several of the athematic verbs are very common, and often eccentric in their various parts. More practice in common but tricky things seems more valuable.
William S. Annis — http://www.aoidoi.org/http://www.scholiastae.org/
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Post by psilord » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:55 pm

Out of curiosity, what is the sorting algorithm for polytonic greek in betacode form? Are accents counted at all in the sort? What if it was unicode polytonic greek being sorted?

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Post by Bert » Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:59 pm

annis wrote:
Bert wrote:I don't think that they are that much more complex but they are different than the ones that are taught earlier in the books.
Teaching them at the end is probably done in an effort to minimize information overload.


Then something really obscure should be shoved to the back.

My reasoning is that things that happen a lot should get a lot of practice. Several of the athematic verbs are very common, and often eccentric in their various parts. More practice in common but tricky things seems more valuable.

That makes sense.
Mounce waits untill the very end before getting into mi verbs.
But then, there are only 10 mi verbs that occur 50 times or more in the whole New Testament. In a basic grammar like his, there are not really any obscure things that could be shoved back. He could have added 15 chapters or so to get into things more obscure.
(I sometimes feel the need to defend his book because it worked so well for me.)

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