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Postby Bert » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:12 am

As you can see in the "Want to be a Pharr guide anyone?" thread, Chad has offered to help with the English to Greek exercises and I am willing to do the Greek to English assignments.
All we need now is a number of members.
Anyone who wants to join a Pharr group please "apply" here.
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Postby JuliaP » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:31 am

oo! I would like to join, please. :)
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Postby annis » Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 am

JuliaP wrote:oo! I would like to join, please.


Well. That was fast.

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Postby edonnelly » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:40 am

Bert,
I know you just finished a Pharr group. What can you tell me about the pace that it went (too fast, too slow, etc) and what kind of weekly time commitment did it require? I'm interested, but I need to decide if I can devote enough time to it right now.
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Postby psilord » Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:01 pm

Cool!

I would also like to join!

Thank you very much for the opportunity and for your time.
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Postby Bert » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:57 pm

edonnelly wrote:Bert,
I know you just finished a Pharr group. What can you tell me about the pace that it went (too fast, too slow, etc) and what kind of weekly time commitment did it require? I'm interested, but I need to decide if I can devote enough time to it right now.
Thanks

We did 2 lessons per week for the first while with occasional review weeks. After a while we did 1 lesson per week.
When I started, I had concerns about the pace.
I had worked through some of Pharr on my own before the group started so that made those lessons a bit easier. Homeric Greek was a new thing for me but I did have a bit of a (fragile) background in Koine.
It is my opinion that those who have not had any Greek before, will find 2 lessons per week to much. 1/wk is was quite managable and enjoyable. If every one in this group has had some Greek before, we can start with 2/wk, but as soon as someone lets us know that it is to much, we can slow down. I have not talked to Chad about this but I don't think he is very hard to get along with. I think it is more important to do some work on it every day and get very familiar with the material, than to rush through the book.
As to the time commitment: I spend approx. 1-2 hrs per day.
I think I am of average intelligence (what ever that is) so if someone has an above average intelligence, less than that may be fine.
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Postby psilord » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:46 am

Hello,

I can attest that 2 lessons per week would be a bit fast for me, not due to time commitment, but simply due to not having enough time to cement the concepts. I worked through the first ten chapters on my own and I did them in one week installments. I spent about 1-2 hours a day with memorization drills and writing.This gave me enough time to memorize *all* of the vocabulary and have about a 90% concept absorbtion rate. The thing that thre me off kilter was the accenting rules, which I didn't understand properly. I have a better idea now, but man, the URL that people point you to is pretty damned confusing. In the end I understood it, but that document sure takes the long way around....

Of course, if I'm severely in the minority, I'll do 2 lessons per week.

One thing though, I very much prefer having a compositional ability in homeric greek and would like to not take pharr's suggestion to cut out the english to greek excersizes.

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Postby chad » Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:19 am

Hi Psilord, I agree with Bert and you that 1 lesson a week is the best option. We will also definitely do all the English to Greek exercises :)
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me too

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Postby A_M_P » Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:32 pm

I'm in.

I agree with the above posters. For me 1/wk would work best because of my irratic work/school schedule. It would just give me a little more breathing room. But if 2/wk is decided on I'll manage I suppose.

Does anyone know when we'll be starting? I need time to learn betacode....

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Postby Bert » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:11 am

A_M_P wrote:

Does anyone know when we'll be starting? I need time to learn betacode....

-andy

It'll be a few weeks. Some people behind the scene have a fair bit of work to do. (Considering that they are doing it free-labour we can't very well initiate disciplinary action for not getting it done within the next working day.)
Jeff, the Textkit administrator, and William, the Textkit's Study Group Coordinator need some time to set up for this group. Paul, the brains behind the GTSS program that we will be using, has to enter quite a few of the lessons into the program yet.
So... you'll have a bit of time to get familiar with Betacode. BTW, if you are using SPIonic, Betacode will be a breeze.
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Postby psilord » Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:31 am

That GTSS thingy is usable from firefox running on a linux machine, right?
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Postby annis » Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:54 pm

psilord wrote:That GTSS thingy is usable from firefox running on a linux machine, right?


I've not run it from Linux, but firefox on Solaris and OSX does work.
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Which Edition?

Postby MichaelFournier » Mon Jun 27, 2005 9:45 pm

I'm certainly in!

I'm curious to know which edition will be standard: the original, or the Wright revision. Is there much of a difference?
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Postby Yhevhe » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:19 pm

I think I'll give it a try again. Now I feel much more relaxed and with time.
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Re: Which Edition?

Postby Bert » Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:34 am

MichaelFournier wrote:
I'm curious to know which edition will be standard: the original, or the Wright revision. Is there much of a difference?

I have the Wright revision. According to Wright the changes are slight.
(Some traditional grammatical terminology has been explained, and Pharr's notes on the Iliad have been shortened.) so I'm confident that either one will work just fine.
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Re: Which Edition?

Postby annis » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:06 am

MichaelFournier wrote:I'm curious to know which edition will be standard: the original, or the Wright revision. Is there much of a difference?


Some of Pharr's more extended notes are fairly tangential. Wright trimmed those.
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Postby mingshey » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:43 am

Congrats for the new Pharr group!

Is it going to be named pharr-c group and referred a "farsi" group? I'm just curious. :roll:

Two lessons in a week is a rather mild pace in general. But I'm not doing well with it due to my varying rate of time I can reserve for the study. Sometimes there's plenty and sometimes not a minuite. But it's better to be in one, however it is hard to keep up with, than not doing it at all.

Good luck to all of you joining the new group!
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Postby ornellas » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:27 am

Count me in as well!

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Postby chad » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:43 am

Excellent, I think we have enough pharr-c members now.

Could you each please PM your names and email addresses to Paul so that he can assign you user IDs for the software we use, thanks v much.
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Postby Diane » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:57 pm

mingshey wrote:Congrats for the new Pharr group!

Is it going to be named pharr-c group and referred a "farsi" group? I'm just curious. :roll:


farseers?
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Postby Bert » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:12 pm

Diane wrote:
mingshey wrote:Congrats for the new Pharr group!

Is it going to be named pharr-c group and referred a "farsi" group? I'm just curious. :roll:


farseers?

I like that. A group of pharrseers sure sounds a lot better than the pharrsee group. :D
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Postby GlottalGreekGeek » Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:23 pm

1 lesson a week, eh? I managed to get through the entirety of Pharr, composition excercises and all, in slightly over three months, after one month of White and not other Greek experience. Slightly less than a lesson a day. However, I am younger than most people at this forum, good with langauges, and immaturely impatient. Even so, I was tired by the end.

Is there any chance of there being a group devoted to [face=SPIonic]ILIADOS B[/face] in the foreseeable (or pharrseeable) future?
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Postby Adelheid » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:13 pm

GlottalGreekGeek wrote:1 lesson a week, eh? I managed to get through the entirety of Pharr, composition excercises and all, in slightly over three months, after one month of White and not other Greek experience. Slightly less than a lesson a day.


I (a Pharr-b member) find English to Greek the most taxing (even with 5 years of high school Greek and at least 3 years of reading Greek at university under my belt, but never having been trained in translating into Greek). How did you manage that on your own? Without the Pharr guides I would be rather lost there.


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Postby GlottalGreekGeek » Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:24 am

If it had been composition excercises from nowhere, I would not have been able to do it. But since all the excercises and the Iliad text were generally similar, I could usually check one against the other to see that I was at least close, and the vocabulary was right in my face (usually vocabulary is my difficulty in composition in foreign languages). Granted, I must have made plenty of mistakes, but my goal was not perfection, I could still make sense of the Illiad Greek, and I believe most of my excercises must have been close. And I was too impatient to wait for somebody to check it all before moving on - probably unwise, but I do not regret it.

I managed to find one of my old Greek > English excercises, from Lesson 48. I'm not proofing it, just typing, and not bothering to type in accents.

1. [face=SPIonic]ecereomen te kai omosomeqa megan o(rkon.[/face]
2. [face=SPIonic]nai ma to skhptron, ou nehte oikade soa, enqa de omnusesqe pantej.[/face]
3. [face=SPIonic]hma skhptra ou pote fusousi pulla kai ozouj, oud anaqhlhsousi, epei leloipan tomaj en oressi.[/face]
4. [face=SPIonic]u(iej Axaiwn xalkw| eleyan skhptra peri fulla te kai ozouj, nun de anaktej dikaspoloi, oi( eiruontai qemistaj proj Dioj, foreousi ta en palamh|j.[/face]

Looking at it now, there is one mistake I see, but I'll let the wiser ones judge my Greek from a few months back.
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Postby Paul » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:30 am

Hi Pharrseers:

I have PMed each of you your GTSS userid/password.

Please let me know if you have not received them.

I count the following members:

yhevhe
psilord
michael (fournier)
shirley (JuliaP)
diane
andy (A_M_P)
ornellas

Did I miss anyone?

Thanks.

Cordially,

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Postby Timotheus » Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:03 am

I would like to be in too!!!

just waiting for my email reply :D
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Postby mingshey » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:48 am

Diane wrote:
mingshey wrote:Congrats for the new Pharr group!

Is it going to be named pharr-c group and referred a "farsi" group? I'm just curious. :roll:


farseers?


Then the Pharr-b-ers would be farbeers? That's odd but I like it, heh. :lol:
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Postby Paul » Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:26 pm

Diane wrote:I seem to be too ancient to function here. In several respects.

For one thing I am 65 years old and have no Greek background whatsoever.

But a much bigger problem is that I am using an ancient Windows 98 SE with Internet Explorer 5.50 and you were right, it doesn't work. As a matter of fact it went into a complete tizzy.

How much of this needs to be done on the computer?


Hi Diane,

GTSS and Windows 98 will work fine together. What you need is IE6. Can you either get it for yourself or have someone help you download and install it?

Pretty much everything is done on computer. However, if the guides are willing to make an exception, perhaps some accomodation can be reached. But I would urge you to install IE6.

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Postby JuliaP » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:02 pm

mingshey wrote:Then the Pharr-b-ers would be farbeers? That's odd but I like it, heh. :lol:


or maybe, "Pharr-b-its"

Phrases, Sayings and Idioms Home > Phrase Dictionary - Meanings and Origins > Far be it from me
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/134125.html
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Postby GlottalGreekGeek » Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:38 pm

Diane wrote:For one thing I am 65 years old and have no Greek background whatsoever.


Don't let it get you down. My father is close to your age, and he recently started studying Japanese. His progress is slow, but at least he is getting progress, and considering his good health and all but retired status, he will have plenty of time to move at his own pace.
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Postby Yhevhe » Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:55 pm

I have IE 6 and can check my hotmail through Outlook Express :)

I don't know about this other configuration, but I think if you install IE 6 it will keep the same config. as the previous IE installed.
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Postby annis » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:04 pm

Pharr-c is now full.
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Postby Yhevhe » Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:15 pm

I can't really remember for how long I have had IE6... But I don't see why you wouldn't be able to check your e-mails through OE even if the account is new.
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Postby Yhevhe » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:33 am

Well, you are right Diane. I've just set up a new account to see this, and I couldn't open it from OE. My old account opens perfectly. And yes, it seems that it only works if you configured your OE before compatibility ended. So... I wouldn't do anything being you.

Right now I'm using Firefox 1.0.4, and there is an extension that lets you block Flash ads. Maybe that could help?
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